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Casino is open but not the woods  :bash:....not to mention the thousands of people walking around the fireworks stands the last 3 weeks....  good stuff.

And the cowards at Hancock STILL wont answer any questions/e-mails.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2020, 09:58:45 PM »
Hancock will give you your money back if you ask, according to a email they sent out the end of last week.
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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2020, 10:07:53 PM »
Hancock will give you your money back if you ask, according to a email they sent out the end of last week.


Thats their cop out.... so they dont have to answer any questions. I dont want my money back... just want what I paid for.  If there was even the smallest reason to shut the woods down I would understand but there isnt.... if the Mucks dont want people on their land then stop selling permits. Hiding behind a pandemic is pathetic.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2020, 05:11:47 PM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.

Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2020, 06:26:45 PM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2020, 08:11:24 PM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.


Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so  :dunno:

Edit:

I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" .  Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose.  The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2020, 09:21:15 PM »
Hancock will give you your money back if you ask, according to a email they sent out the end of last week.


Thats their cop out.... so they dont have to answer any questions. I dont want my money back... just want what I paid for.  If there was even the smallest reason to shut the woods down I would understand but there isnt.... if the Mucks dont want people on their land then stop selling permits. Hiding behind a pandemic is pathetic.

Just to clarify, you paid for a product/service and now you're not happy with that product/service. You've been given the option to have your money returned, but you don't want your money back. So now you want them to change the product/service that they're offering, in order to accommodate what YOU feel is right?
 
So what do you feel is the appropriate access for a private entity to allow you to have to their private property? Should they check with permit holders before they make business decisions about how to manage their own land?
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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2020, 09:44:51 PM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.
Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so  :dunno:

Edit:

I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" .  Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose.  The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2020, 07:54:18 AM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.

Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...

You are obviously new to this.  What Bigtex says is absolutely correct.  A trespass fee is what you are paying when you purchase a recreational access pass.  With concerns to what effects the timber business, well it's pretty simple.  Anything the timber says effects it is what effects it.  You want to pick mushrooms?  That effects the timber business.  You want to hunt, same.  Want to walk or drive on the log roads that timber trucks drive on, same.  This is one of those things that people just don't seem to get.  It's not for the permit holder to decide what he does on timber land, even though he purchased a permit.  It is for the timber company to decide what they are willing to let you do on their land.  If you don't believe me then you have never been locked out of a permit area because of burn conditions.


Sigh.... Yeah... I am new to "this".  Only been buying a Hancock permit since the day they started selling them  :rolleyes:

Whats odd is that this is the first time they have ever shut the woods down other than for fire danger, which is an understandable decision.

Has nothing to do with the logging industry up there and thanks for letting me know its not up for the permit holder to decide.... totally didnt know that.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2020, 07:56:43 AM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.
Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so  :dunno:

Edit:

I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" .  Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose.  The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.


GOOGLE the term for the definition.

Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet  Hancock provides when buying the permit??   

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2020, 07:59:19 AM »
Hancock will give you your money back if you ask, according to a email they sent out the end of last week.


Thats their cop out.... so they dont have to answer any questions. I dont want my money back... just want what I paid for.  If there was even the smallest reason to shut the woods down I would understand but there isnt.... if the Mucks dont want people on their land then stop selling permits. Hiding behind a pandemic is pathetic.

Just to clarify, you paid for a product/service and now you're not happy with that product/service. You've been given the option to have your money returned, but you don't want your money back. So now you want them to change the product/service that they're offering, in order to accommodate what YOU feel is right?
 
So what do you feel is the appropriate access for a private entity to allow you to have to their private property? Should they check with permit holders before they make business decisions about how to manage their own land?


Why, in your opinion, is WR the only area shut down??  Just curious as to your familiarity with the area/situation.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2020, 08:38:54 AM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.
Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so  :dunno:

Edit:

I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" .  Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose.  The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.
GOOGLE the term for the definition.

Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet  Hancock provides when buying the permit??
I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."

Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2020, 08:54:35 AM »
Maybe just say...

Paying private non commercial property owner is "Trespass Fee"

Paying commercial for profit property owner is "Access Fee"

It's all semantics anyway

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2020, 09:12:37 AM »
Maybe just say...

Paying private non commercial property owner is "Trespass Fee"

Paying commercial for profit property owner is "Access Fee"

It's all semantics anyway

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Re: Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2020, 09:16:44 AM »
What exactly do you believe you paid for? 

I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee.  What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee??  What the hell are you talking about??  How would it effect their timber industry??  Good lord man...
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.
Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so  :dunno:

Edit:

I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" .  Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose.  The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.
GOOGLE the term for the definition.

Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet  Hancock provides when buying the permit??
I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."

Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.

“Usually a per day...”

Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.

And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so....  there is that too boyo.


What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.

 


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