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Re: crossbow
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2021, 06:41:40 PM »
My personal opinion on all of this (and its just my two cents for what that's worth), is that a person with a multi-season permit should not be allowed to use a crossbow.  Many hunters will tell you that a crossbow is the most deadliest weapon around.  Especially with a scope.  100 yard range, extremely accurate, and quite.  I hunt a ranch in Eastern Washington for deer.  I usually get the multi-season tag and hunt the earlier muzzleloader season and the modern rifle season.  I don't hunt the late archery season because it seems to be impossible to get the deer in the 40 yard range you need for a shot in the open country (believe me I have had numerous friends try and they are very accomplished bow hunters).  The late archery season is right in the middle of the rut and getting 80-100 yards away from the deer is very doable but under 50 is practically impossible.  The big bucks come out of the woodwork during this time during the rut and I go up and film them every year during the late archery timeframe.  Hunting that with a crossbow would be devastating for the vulnerable bucks.  Pretty crazy if you ask me.  I have had both of my rotator cuffs, labrum, and one of my bicep tendons repaired with multiple surgeries (4 separate surgeries).  I have never bow hunted to date, and now you are telling me I can go in and get a doctors note and start hunting mule deer in the rut with one of the deadliest weapons made???  Sounds pretty crazy if you ask me.  One more perk of living in a *censored* Liberal whacked-out state if you ask me!  But then again, you probably didn't ask........ :o
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Re: crossbow
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2021, 06:56:24 PM »
I just got my special weapon use permit at the end of last year as well.  Had the companion card for a couple of years and now I'm looking forward to coming back into the hunting aspect of the group instead of the camp kitchen guy ha ha.  I've had multiple surgeries and can't bird hunt anymore along with rifle hunting.   The family does archery and it sure feels good to part of the team again.  Yes, you can use a scope, however according to what they tell me from the state the scope must come attached as part of the purchase of the crossbow.  I just recently went through it all and honestly the state people in Olympia were great to deal with and walked me through the entire process.

Raises an interesting question.  A lot of crossbows are sold as a package with scope.  Will these crossbow with 2 - 8x scopes be legal for everyone during muzzleloader season?

Iím guessing it will match the 1x scope or red dot change for muzzys if it passes. There is a lot of 1x crossbow scopes and 1x red dots and Iím guessing that is what you will be able to use on a cross bow during muzzle season.
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Re: crossbow
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2021, 07:06:27 PM »
My personal opinion on all of this (and its just my two cents for what that's worth), is that a person with a multi-season permit should not be allowed to use a crossbow.  Many hunters will tell you that a crossbow is the most deadliest weapon around. Especially with a scope.  100 yard range, extremely accurate, and quite. 

Are these crossbow hunters?  Does a compound bow make noise?  Try amplifying that.  Why are some of the compound bow guys shooting out to 100 yards?  Because they can. 
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Re: crossbow
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2021, 07:11:13 PM »
I honestly see some disadvantages with the crossbow, weight,  awkwardness,  slow loading...  but when the time comes I think it's great for keeping those with bad shoulders out hunting.   I really don't think a scope on one helps,  but understand the complexity of getting an open sight on one is tough these days.

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Re: crossbow
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2021, 07:24:06 PM »
I honestly see some disadvantages with the crossbow, weight,  awkwardness,  slow loading...  but when the time comes I think it's great for keeping those with bad shoulders out hunting.   I really don't think a scope on one helps,  but understand the complexity of getting an open sight on one is tough these days.


My wife is an average at best vertical bow shot. 45 minutes after buying a crossbow and scope setup, she could accurately shoot to 50 yards better than I can shoot my vertical bow.

She killed three deer a couple days later with that setup, one was a quartering away shot at 42 yards.

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Re: crossbow
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2021, 08:08:51 PM »
I honestly see some disadvantages with the crossbow, weight,  awkwardness,  slow loading...  but when the time comes I think it's great for keeping those with bad shoulders out hunting.   I really don't think a scope on one helps,  but understand the complexity of getting an open sight on one is tough these days.


My wife is an average at best vertical bow shot. 45 minutes after buying a crossbow and scope setup, she could accurately shoot to 50 yards better than I can shoot my vertical bow.

She killed three deer a couple days later with that setup, one was a quartering away shot at 42 yards.
Exactly. An 8 year old child can shoot 2Ē groups at 50 yards easily from a rest. I have watched it multiple times now. Iím not against Crossbows at all, they just should not be allowed during regular archery seasons unless itís a youth or disabled hunter. I can easily shoot sub 6Ē groups at 100 yards with one also.


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Re: crossbow
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2021, 08:13:12 PM »
My personal opinion on all of this (and its just my two cents for what that's worth), is that a person with a multi-season permit should not be allowed to use a crossbow.  Many hunters will tell you that a crossbow is the most deadliest weapon around.  Especially with a scope.  100 yard range, extremely accurate, and quite.  I hunt a ranch in Eastern Washington for deer.  I usually get the multi-season tag and hunt the earlier muzzleloader season and the modern rifle season.  I don't hunt the late archery season because it seems to be impossible to get the deer in the 40 yard range you need for a shot in the open country (believe me I have had numerous friends try and they are very accomplished bow hunters).  The late archery season is right in the middle of the rut and getting 80-100 yards away from the deer is very doable but under 50 is practically impossible.  The big bucks come out of the woodwork during this time during the rut and I go up and film them every year during the late archery timeframe.  Hunting that with a crossbow would be devastating for the vulnerable bucks.  Pretty crazy if you ask me.  I have had both of my rotator cuffs, labrum, and one of my bicep tendons repaired with multiple surgeries (4 separate surgeries).  I have never bow hunted to date, and now you are telling me I can go in and get a doctors note and start hunting mule deer in the rut with one of the deadliest weapons made???  Sounds pretty crazy if you ask me.  One more perk of living in a *censored* Liberal whacked-out state if you ask me!  But then again, you probably didn't ask........ :o
Itís much harder to get than you think and they do everything not to give them out. My old man tried and he had all of the doctors paperwork filled out plus hasnít been able to pull even a 50# bow for 5-6 years. We archery hunted together for over a decade before that. He has the disabled permit but they have denied his crossbow permit twice.


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Re: crossbow
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2021, 10:47:58 PM »
My personal opinion on all of this (and its just my two cents for what that's worth), is that a person with a multi-season permit should not be allowed to use a crossbow.  Many hunters will tell you that a crossbow is the most deadliest weapon around.  Especially with a scope.  100 yard range, extremely accurate, and quite.  I hunt a ranch in Eastern Washington for deer.  I usually get the multi-season tag and hunt the earlier muzzleloader season and the modern rifle season.  I don't hunt the late archery season because it seems to be impossible to get the deer in the 40 yard range you need for a shot in the open country (believe me I have had numerous friends try and they are very accomplished bow hunters).  The late archery season is right in the middle of the rut and getting 80-100 yards away from the deer is very doable but under 50 is practically impossible.  The big bucks come out of the woodwork during this time during the rut and I go up and film them every year during the late archery timeframe.  Hunting that with a crossbow would be devastating for the vulnerable bucks.  Pretty crazy if you ask me.  I have had both of my rotator cuffs, labrum, and one of my bicep tendons repaired with multiple surgeries (4 separate surgeries).  I have never bow hunted to date, and now you are telling me I can go in and get a doctors note and start hunting mule deer in the rut with one of the deadliest weapons made???  Sounds pretty crazy if you ask me.  One more perk of living in a *censored* Liberal whacked-out state if you ask me!  But then again, you probably didn't ask........ :o
Itís much harder to get than you think and they do everything not to give them out. My old man tried and he had all of the doctors paperwork filled out plus hasnít been able to pull even a 50# bow for 5-6 years. We archery hunted together for over a decade before that. He has the disabled permit but they have denied his crossbow permit twice.


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Good point Slim.  I have no idea what hoops you have to jump through to get the status.  I'm sure this will be a great thing for those who truly miss bow hunting due to physical issues.  I just have a worry about the abuse some could do with it.  We will have to wait and see how it all comes out in the wash.  I haven't shot a compound bow in over 35 years and have never fired a crossbow so all I can really go on is what I have heard and been told.  Will be interesting to see the outcome.
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Re: crossbow
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2021, 09:08:09 AM »
The reason Optics are allowed is because almost every single crossbow comes with a scope and there are not very many manufacturers that make open sights and the open sites are expensive I know cuz I have one sitting in a box because when I got my special use permit scope for not legal on crossbows

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Oh okay I didn't know that. Time to go have my shoulder checked out! Kidding   :chuckle:

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Re: crossbow
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2021, 09:31:16 AM »
The reason Optics are allowed is because almost every single crossbow comes with a scope and there are not very many manufacturers that make open sights and the open sites are expensive I know cuz I have one sitting in a box because when I got my special use permit scope for not legal on crossbows

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Oh okay I didn't know that. Time to go have my shoulder checked out! Kidding   :chuckle:

Don't let the scope fool you.  I don't think you'll find many crossbow manufacturers promoting 100 yard shots on game animals. 
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Re: crossbow
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2021, 09:57:28 AM »
My Inlaw has this permit. He was a pretty decent bow hunter until he had to have his right wrist fused. He cant twist it or bend it much. His doctor helped with the paperwork and he was approved for his crossbow permit. I have no idea how a crossbow is the most deadly thing in the woods as some claim, seems a rifle would have it beat hands down. You can take longer shots with a crossbow than a bow that is true. 100yards is still pretty far tho and the animal has to be prettyt still to make an ethical shot at that range. I dont think my inlaw can actually shoot a rifle as well as his crossbow because of the pain the recoil causes on his wrist. All this because his orthopedic surgeon screwed up. You do know you can use crossbows during modern if you want? If its so deadly sell your rifles and buy a crossbow to hunt instead :dunno:.

I think its a fine program, my only request would be to allow youth to have their own separate 2 or 3 day season for deer with a crossbow. I think its the perfect weapon to get kids started hunting.
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Re: crossbow
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2021, 10:13:10 AM »
Have fun with your hunt. I'm glad to hear that there's a vehicle for disabled bow hunters to continue pursuing game with a crossbow. I can't imagine that enough qualify to affect the balance of game statewide. I'm disabled and am not likely to qualify, nor do I need it.
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Re: crossbow
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2021, 08:19:27 PM »
I just got my special weapon use permit at the end of last year as well.  Had the companion card for a couple of years and now I'm looking forward to coming back into the hunting aspect of the group instead of the camp kitchen guy ha ha.  I've had multiple surgeries and can't bird hunt anymore along with rifle hunting.   The family does archery and it sure feels good to part of the team again.  Yes, you can use a scope, however according to what they tell me from the state the scope must come attached as part of the purchase of the crossbow.  I just recently went through it all and honestly the state people in Olympia were great to deal with and walked me through the entire process.

Raises an interesting question.  A lot of crossbows are sold as a package with scope.  Will these crossbow with 2 - 8x scopes be legal for everyone during muzzleloader season?

No you can not. You can only use a crossbow during modern unless you have the disability permit which let's you use it during archery  You can't use it for muzzleload season at all.

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Re: crossbow
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2021, 09:26:39 PM »
I just got my special weapon use permit at the end of last year as well.  Had the companion card for a couple of years and now I'm looking forward to coming back into the hunting aspect of the group instead of the camp kitchen guy ha ha.  I've had multiple surgeries and can't bird hunt anymore along with rifle hunting.   The family does archery and it sure feels good to part of the team again.  Yes, you can use a scope, however according to what they tell me from the state the scope must come attached as part of the purchase of the crossbow.  I just recently went through it all and honestly the state people in Olympia were great to deal with and walked me through the entire process.

Raises an interesting question.  A lot of crossbows are sold as a package with scope.  Will these crossbow with 2 - 8x scopes be legal for everyone during muzzleloader season?

No you can not. You can only use a crossbow during modern unless you have the disability permit which let's you use it during archery  You can't use it for muzzleload season at all.
Which is insanity but Iím sure has to do with the optics.


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Re: crossbow
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2021, 10:13:10 PM »
Yes crossbows seem easier but there are drawbacks. Someone mentioned weight.  Compare it to a heavy rifle with no sling. Carrying it for a while is tough for us with disabilities. The scope is required for range like a bow sight. And low light makes shots pretty tough. Also unless you have a rest for the shot i wouldnt ethically take a shot farther than maybe 70yds. Ive had my crossbow permit for 2 yrs and havent had a chance to pull the trigger on an elk or deer yet. Funny last year in the clockum i actually showed a few game wardens my crossbow and how it all works. One advantage is no need to draw or hold a draw while an animal is within range waiting for the proper shot angle.
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