5 degree tapered points

[Todd_ID]

How difficult is is to get the screw-in 5 degree taper point adapters and the tapered broadheads to align perfectly?  I like Hornseeker's idea about using the Grizzly broadhead with a heavy point adapter, but those adapters are an enigma for me, since I've never used traditional gear.  I'm assuming that the glue of choice is the Ferr-L-Tite hot melt glue, and that a misalignment can be changed by simply being reheated, adjusted and cooled.  How accurate are these assumptions?  And, what are the chances that I will be able to get them adjusted so that they will spin perfectly with no wobble?  Broadheads won't fly well if they don't spin well, and I'd hate to waste my time and money if "OK" is the best I can hope for in using a two piece broadhead system.  What say ye?

[Hornseeker]

Todd, Look for the "long" adapters. For example, the aluminums are liek 27 grains... the steel ones are about 100 grains. When they are long.. they just "line themselves up" real nice. I use my bow epoxy... but yeah, ferrel tight works good too... I still like epoxy better....

Good Luck! Look at Kustom King Archery or 3 Rivers Archery for a nice array of inserts...

Ernie

[Todd_ID]

I found Braveheart Archery to have everything that I was looking for.  I ordered six 190 grain El Grande Grizzly's, six 100 grain steel adapters, six 125 grain adapters, six 250 grain field points, and six 300 grain field points: all for $48 including shipping.  The only thing I'm worried about now is whether or not .300 spine Axis arrows I have will be stiff enough at 29" from a 72# single cam.  The FOC calculators say I should be around 20-21% FOC, and that's well within Dr. Ashby's "extreme FOC" parameters.  And the finished weight should be 650 grains, and that's also his minimum weight for the "bone breaking threshold for mass".  Hopefully it wasn't $48 wasted to find out that they won't fly well enough; somehow, though, I think physics, and Dr. Ashby's research, will be on my side.

[Machias]

That should flat punch a hole through something!!  Keep us updated.

[jackelope]

i am so far behind on some of this archery stuff...

huh???

 

[Machias]

Spine refers to the stiffness of your arrows, FOC is Forward of Center.  The inserts add weight forward which helps with penetration.  Alot of guys are going to heavy arrows out of fast bows for some really good pass thru shots.

[Snapshot]

Jackalope,
To read up on the Ashby tests that have spurred more and more folks to regard the arrow as the most important part of the bowhunting equation, go to http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=24
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[Ray]

Holy cow 300 grain field points.

[Hornseeker]

Todd...that sounds like an awesome setup!! I sure hope you can knock something over with it this year so we can hear how it performs!!!

That 300 Axis is one stiff SOB... i think you'll be ok.... what kind of rest are you using and are you shooting a release?

Ernie

[Todd_ID]

Trophy Ridge Drop Away and Carter Quickie release.  They are stiff, but I'm curious about them being stiff enough for that heavy of a head.  I think they should be fine.....we'll see when I get home and get to play with them.

[Hornseeker]

I think they'll be fine... I think they may show a little stiff... what method will you use to tune? Paper?

[Todd_ID]

I'm planning on re-setting my rest at Mathew's vaunted 13/16" from the riser and even with the Berger Button hole and then going from there.  I'll use a modified French tuning to get very close on centershot/sight windage and then broadhead tuning to get it perfect on centershot and nock height.  At that point, the broadheads and field points will be hitting the same point of impact.  Then I'll finish with pin gap setting; from there it'll be practice hard then hunt hard!

I'm not thinking that the .300 spine will be any too stiff.  I tried .340 Axis arrows with 125 grain heads and they weren't stiff enough (they're borderline OK in Easton's charts), so I bought some .300's for elk hunting last year and use the .340 with 85 grain field points for 3D or 85 grain broadheads for deer.  The .300 spine was good-to-a-bit-stiff with the 125 grain Snuffer SS broadheads, but 290 or 315 grain broadheads are a whole other ball game.  Maybe they'll end up being perfect, and I'll never look back.

[bow-n-head]

If you are after weight, wouldn't it be easier to just go back to alluminum arrows to keep your arrow balanced better.

[Todd_ID]

Yeah, aluminum would be a simple solution for weight, but it doesn't change FOC.  However, I'm trying to build Dr. Ashby's results-based "best" hunting arrow.  That means:
1. 650 grains or more
2. 19% or higher FOC
3. 2 blade, cut-on-contact, high mechanical advantage, single bevel broadhead
4. Arrow diameter smaller than ferrule of broadhead
5. Smooth shaft material

I've taken plenty enough elk to know that it's all about placement, however, I've also hunted long enough to know that $#(! happens every now and then.  It happened to me for the first time in 23 years of bowhunting on a trophy bull (at 6 yards) last year, and I know a better terminal system would have killed him.  I'm trying to do what I can to prevent that from happening again.  As long as I do my part, then I hope to never need to test the limits.

[Hornseeker]

Sounds good Todd... Good luck.

Man..with a 60# Longbow..I cannot get enough weight up front to make a 300 shoot...but they aren't center shot either...big diff....and shooting fingers needs a weaker shaft too..

Anyhow...keep us posted....