So whats a great muzzleloader option for WA these days?

[Parasite]

Not really a fan of muzzleloaders as I hate cleaning them and have not owned one in probably 20 years and that was a Hawken. Whats a great muzzleloader for WA elk these days? Ideally I would have liked a barrel for my TC Encore, but it looks like they are not being made anymore, so I have to find other options I guess if I decide to get back into this. Any opinions?

[jackelope]

You can buy Encore barrels all over the place. eBay is a great option. I’ve got one and love it. I haven’t used it yet, but Blackhorn 209 powder is supposed to make a huge difference in the cleanup process.

[johnbmyersii]

You can buy Encore barrels all over the place. eBay is a great option. I’ve got one and love it. I haven’t used it yet, but Blackhorn 209 powder is supposed to make a huge difference in the cleanup process.

  If you can find blackhorn, its worth it

[OltHunter]

CVA Accura with blackhorn breech or a higher up option with a much better trigger is Knight mountaineer/ultralite. 50+ caliber.

I had great groups and excellent terminal performance with fury universal bullets for CVA. But there are lots of great bullet choices now too.

The Williams fiber optic front globe and rear peep is highly recommended too.

Load work up at the range with blackhorn requires no cleaning at all.

I've seen Blackhorn recently online for $70 for 8oz before taxes, hazmat, and shipping. It's getting ridiculous.

[elkboy]

I have a Knight Bighorn and a Knight Mountaineer, and they are great.  Have taken several WA deer with each.  The Mountaineer is a somewhat heavy rifle to lug around the mountains, but it is incredibly accurate.   

Knight Bloodline 300 gr for bullets, Triple 7 FFG for powder.  I still use musket caps.  Williams FP peep sight. 

[Parasite]

You can buy Encore barrels all over the place.

I see aftermarket Encore barrels, just centerfire, not muzzleloader. And ebay and gunbroker its mostly used and overpriced stuff which Im not interested in.

[Wetwoodshunter]

I have a Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader. I can load it, hunt the season in pouring rain, not see a dang thing but it will go bang. Pros shoots 200 grains/4 pellets 777, or blackthorn 209, cased primer, shoots very fast and flat compared to other muzzleloaders with a 250 gr bullet. As I said before, it will shoot when you pull the trigger.

Cons pricey for a muzzleloader, heavy as a brick, not legal/no way to make legal in some states.

The other gun I seriously considered was the Knight Disc Extreme. You can convert that one for other more primitive states.

[JakeLand]

1st. Choice is a knight ultra lite.50 deadly accurate and light
2nd is disc extreme very accurate just a little heavier

[jackelope]

You can buy Encore barrels all over the place.

I see aftermarket Encore barrels, just centerfire, not muzzleloader. And ebay and gunbroker its mostly used and overpriced stuff which Im not interested in.

https://www.eabco.com/tcencore209X50.html

[Skyvalhunter]

Get the Knight ultra but hunt out of state.

[JakeLand]

A guy on rockslide is selling a .50 barrel for the tc pro hunter

[JimmyHoffa]

I have a Knight Bighorn and a Knight Mountaineer, and they are great.  Have taken several WA deer with each.  The Mountaineer is a somewhat heavy rifle to lug around the mountains, but it is incredibly accurate.   

Knight Bloodline 300 gr for bullets, Triple 7 FFG for powder.  I still use musket caps.  Williams FP peep sight.

I like the mountaineer.  My issue with the weight is that the barrel is so much of the weight, that it is heavy forward.  The muzzle wants to dip and the butt wants to slide up and off my shoulder.

[Gobble Gobble]

I purchased a CVA Optima V2 with the Nitride barrel and camo stock/forend this year for my son. Just over 6 pounds it's light to me. Shoots great with 250gr Barnes TSX and 90gr of White Hots. Son took a nice Doe with a youth tag this year. She went 40 yards at a full sprint before piling up.

[haftard]

I have a cva optima, my wife as a cva wolf and my dad has the cva Acura. i would get the wolf or the optima. wayyyy esier to clean then some of the older muzzleloaders ive had. The Acura just is not worth the extra $$$ over the optima IMO.

[Parasite]

Ending up buying a 209x50 Endeavor SS barrel for my TC Encore. Just waiting for it to come in the mail. I guess it's time to make a list of what else I will need if anyone wants to chime in. This gun will be used for elk only.

[zwickeyman]

I used to have a Knight MK85 ? I believe. Shot some nice Bulls and Bears with it. Bought a CVA Accura and gave the Knight to a hunting buddy. Never cared for the CVA but did kill a Bull with it. Just got a Knight Ultralite 2 weeks ago and what a sweet little front stuffer it is. Very excited to get it ready for Idaho this year.

[JakeLand]

I used to have a Knight MK85 ? I believe. Shot some nice Bulls and Bears with it. Bought a CVA Accura and gave the Knight to a hunting buddy. Never cared for the CVA but did kill a Bull with it. Just got a Knight Ultralite 2 weeks ago and what a sweet little front stuffer it is. Very excited to get it ready for Idaho this year.

you will absolutely dig the ultra lite!!

[Rigby416]

Blackhorn 209 is a really great powder, but get ready for sticker shock if you can find it.  Sportsmans Whse. has it as well as Coastal Farm and Ranch.  The jugs of powder are now 8 oz. instead of the 10 oz. size they used to be.  The price is now over $75.00 per jug.  CRAZY expensive.

[BKMFR]

CVA Paramount Pro Colorado is what I went too... most accurate muzzleloader I've shot, and simple to clean.

[JasonG]

CVA Paramount Pro Colorado is what I went too... most accurate muzzleloader I've shot, and simple to clean.

How do you like it?

[Alan K]

CVA Paramount Pro Colorado is what I went too... most accurate muzzleloader I've shot, and simple to clean.

My old man picked one up two years ago, and after seeing his I bought one myself! Awesome muzzleloaders!

[JasonG]

CVA Paramount Pro Colorado is what I went too... most accurate muzzleloader I've shot, and simple to clean.

My old man picked one up two years ago, and after seeing his I bought one myself! Awesome muzzleloaders!

You think they are worth the cost ?

[Alan K]

For me, absolutely. Not knowing your circumstances I don't know.  I have the "buy once cry once" mentality.  I did upgrade from the Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader, and am happy with the decision to do so.

We each put brakes on them, and they have the kick of a .243 or .308 I'd say.  Pleasure to shoot, whereas I was pretty sore after a range day with the RUM. 

[millerwheeler]

I have a knight ultralight and love it , I’ll be honest though if I could buy paramount pro Colorado I would buddy has one and hands down that’s a fine  muzzleloader

[HooknoseHunter]

https://www.bullberrylegacy.com/black-powder-barrels

[10thmountainarcher]

I have a knight ultralite 45 and love it. If I could have found the paramount pro 50 Colorado it’s what I would have bought though. I will be doing some modifications to the knight this year. Having the peep moved to the rear of the gun instead of way out front like they come from factory!

[KFhunter]

I like the northwest edition, you can make them Idaho compliant, Washington etc

Not a muzzy guy, so I like that it’s got options

[dilleytech]

It’s hard to go wrong with knights. My bighorn has been flawless. I heard to many bad things about reliability from CVA owners. Keep it simple, #11 caps and loose powder. Ya cleaning sucks but you only have to do that once or twice a year. Barnes copper bullets are devastating.

[BUTTER]

1600 dollars for a muzzleloader. I'm sorry that's just silly

[millerwheeler]

1600 dollars for a muzzleloader. I'm sorry that's just silly

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No different than buying a rifle or a bow . If it’s name brand these days and “new” there all charging big money

[dilleytech]

1600 dollars for a muzzleloader. I'm sorry that's just silly

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No different than buying a rifle or a bow . If it’s name brand these days and “new” there all charging big money

Like anything they make high end and low end options of everything. Capable bows sell from 200$-2,000$ same with rifles same with muzzys. I wouldn’t pay that much for a muzzy but it’s not surprising.

[wapiti22]

Kibler Woodsrunner in 54 cal.

[SeaRun1]

Kibler Woodsrunner in 54 cal.

Just finished building my 54 Woodsrunner.  I took it out last weekend and it shot great.  My first Kibler was a SMR in .40 cal and it also shoots like a dream.

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[wapiti22]

I have the Woodsrunner and a Colonial, both in .54 cal.  Waiting for his fowler to come out!

[SeaRun1]

Me too.  I’m going to order a 20 gauge in cherry or walnut.  I open his web page up every once in awhile hoping I will see the announcement that the Fowler is available.  Soon I hope!

How do you like that Colonial?  I sure love the lines and style of the SMR but the Woodsrunner will be what I hunt with next year.

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[wapiti22]

The Colonial is longer and heavier than the Woodsrunner but not by much. I ordered it before the Woodsrunner was released. It's a great shooter.  I'm hoping for a cherry or walnut 20 ga as well!

[Dirty Mike]

I have that same one fantastic shooter

[SeaRun1]

I have that same one fantastic shooter

Woodsrunner or Colonial?

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