Update on Wyoming corner crossing

[LDennis24]

I think the government is going to have to step in and pay for a wider easement. If they say you can step over the corner someone will ride an ebike over the corner, then a motorcycle, then a quad, then a side by side, then a jeep and finally drag a travel trailer through there.  Probably all illegal actions but it’s what happens. I’ve seen it all over the colockum.

The gov't won't have to do anything.  Landowners can contact law enforcement if somebody engages in illegal activity...no different than today.   

Yeah part of the discussion is that its not doing any good to contact law enforcement

[Rainier10]

I think the government is going to have to step in and pay for a wider easement. If they say you can step over the corner someone will ride an ebike over the corner, then a motorcycle, then a quad, then a side by side, then a jeep and finally drag a travel trailer through there.  Probably all illegal actions but it’s what happens. I’ve seen it all over the colockum.

The gov't won't have to do anything.  Landowners can contact law enforcement if somebody engages in illegal activity...no different than today.   

Probably right. It works so well to just contact law enforcement. Private property owners just get screwed again.

[Platensek-po]

I think the government is going to have to step in and pay for a wider easement. If they say you can step over the corner someone will ride an ebike over the corner, then a motorcycle, then a quad, then a side by side, then a jeep and finally drag a travel trailer through there.  Probably all illegal actions but it’s what happens. I’ve seen it all over the colockum.

The gov't won't have to do anything.  Landowners can contact law enforcement if somebody engages in illegal activity...no different than today.   

Yeah part of the discussion is that its not doing any good to contact law enforcement

That’s not problem with corner crossing tho. That’s a problem with law enforcement in general. The point of corner crossing is that no contact is made with private property beyond airspace. Already trespassing can’t be enforced by Leo and corner crossing isn’t trespassing. The gov doesn’t have to provide easements for motorized vehicles. They can just rule that corner crossing without setting foot on private property isn’t trespassing and the end.

[Rainier10]

But it won’t be stepping across the corner.

Many hunters are lazy. I’ll just cut the corner. Now that I have an elk down I need a game cart, quad, side by side, jeep. It never ends.

[idahohuntr]

But it won’t be stepping across the corner.

Many hunters are lazy. I’ll just cut the corner. Now that I have an elk down I need a game cart, quad, side by side, jeep. It never ends.

Let's not obfuscate trespass issues with what's going on re: this corner crossing case.  Eshelman is not worried about a hunter inadvertently touching a foot on his rangeland...he's hellbent on blocking access to thousands of public acres so he can keep them all to himself. 

Yes, some hunters are lazy trespassers.  Some landowners are greedy, selfish, entitled whiners who illegally block roads, post public lands, and intimidate/threaten lawful public land users...none of those bad apples on either side has any real relevance to the core issue of corner crossing.

 

[LDennis24]

Except that in my experience the people who are pushing the boundary corner crossing also push the boundary with trespassing when they think nobodies looking. I said it on here before, I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing. I also read that according to Washington state law when you make improvements on leased public land, the improvements become private property. So if you build a fence on public land because you lease it for cattle it can be considered private property.  My neigbor owns buildings on the state land he farms but doesn't own the land itself. He owns the road leading across private land onto the state land to access the buildings. People thi k that gives them the right to access the state land. It doesn't. If you can do it without touching private property such as the fence then good for you. I don't believe that most people will act appropriately. That's not reality anymore. People suck due to lack of enforcement and will do whatever they can get away with.

[LDennis24]

It creates a trespassing issue...

[Platensek-po]

But it won’t be stepping across the corner.

Many hunters are lazy. I’ll just cut the corner. Now that I have an elk down I need a game cart, quad, side by side, jeep. It never ends.

Then again that’s a separate issue. That’s actually trespassing. If people are driving across the corner they aren’t corner crossing and if they are corner crossing they aren’t trespassing. That’s like saying no one should be able to drive because people will speed when there aren’t cops around or won’t obey stop signs. Maybe people shouldn’t own guns because some people will use them to commit crimes or murder. Saying that everyone who corner crosses is going to trespass makes you sound exactly like the people who make those kinds of arguments. Dealing with enforcement of trespassing laws is a completely separate issue from corner crossing.

[Jake Dogfish]

But it won’t be stepping across the corner.

Many hunters are lazy. I’ll just cut the corner. Now that I have an elk down I need a game cart, quad, side by side, jeep. It never ends.

Then again that’s a separate issue. That’s actually trespassing. If people are driving across the corner they aren’t corner crossing and if they are corner crossing they aren’t trespassing. That’s like saying no one should be able to drive because people will speed when there aren’t cops around or won’t obey stop signs. Maybe people shouldn’t own guns because some people will use them to commit crimes or murder. Saying that everyone who corner crosses is going to trespass makes you sound exactly like the people who make those kinds of arguments. Dealing with enforcement of trespassing laws is a completely separate issue from corner crossing.

[LDennis24]

You want it to be a separate issue but it's not. People are on here talking about real world experience with property corners intersecting and people cutting across the private land and your acting like it's not a thing. But it is. It perpetuates the trespassing by cutting the corner and is an intrusion on someone's personal rights. All so you can prove a point that "It's my land too!" We have to share! The reality is that lots of people are entitled to exclusive use of public land. Maybe they should lease hunting rights to people like they do agricultural use rights for public land! Then only people with more money can afford it? No different than being a farmer. Or paying for a guided hunt. The argument that someone isn't allowed exclusive use of public land is baseless. It depends on the activity and farming and grazing leases prove that. If you have the lease then you, and only you, can use it for that purpose. 

[Taco280AI]

I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing.

That's not corner crossing, that's trespassing. Stepping from public to private, no matter how small = trespassing. Stepping from public to public = corner crossing. Due to your personal feelings on the matter you seem to intentionally abuse the two, or at least incorrectly use them interchangeably.

As for your real world experiences on here, that can be applied to anything. There's good deeds, there's bad deeds. If you get enough people together they've experienced them all within that group. Doesn't mean everyone is bad or everyone is good. But you had constantly said people are bad and will do whatever they can get away with. We all know your feelings very well on this, doesn't make them right.

[blackveltbowhunter]

Or maybe don't buy prime hunting property adjacent to any sort of public ground if you don't want to deal with the issues caused 

[Taco280AI]

But it won’t be stepping across the corner.

Many hunters are lazy. I’ll just cut the corner. Now that I have an elk down I need a game cart, quad, side by side, jeep. It never ends.

Then again that’s a separate issue. That’s actually trespassing. If people are driving across the corner they aren’t corner crossing and if they are corner crossing they aren’t trespassing. That’s like saying no one should be able to drive because people will speed when there aren’t cops around or won’t obey stop signs. Maybe people shouldn’t own guns because some people will use them to commit crimes or murder. Saying that everyone who corner crosses is going to trespass makes you sound exactly like the people who make those kinds of arguments. Dealing with enforcement of trespassing laws is a completely separate issue from corner crossing.

 

[Feathernfurr]

I’d argue against  that lease idea as well. I will fight tooth and nail that cattle grazing leases are far more beneficial for cattle farmers and detrimental to public land in a lot of places. If that’s your theory, then I can go pay cents on the acre for grazing right, turn out no cattle, and treat it as my private hunting land. That’s just plain silly.

Now if you’re talking someone that has a 100 year forest service cabin lease, sure, their yard is their yard and no one else’s.

[Rainier10]

But it won’t be stepping across the corner.

Many hunters are lazy. I’ll just cut the corner. Now that I have an elk down I need a game cart, quad, side by side, jeep. It never ends.

Then again that’s a separate issue. That’s actually trespassing. If people are driving across the corner they aren’t corner crossing and if they are corner crossing they aren’t trespassing. That’s like saying no one should be able to drive because people will speed when there aren’t cops around or won’t obey stop signs. Maybe people shouldn’t own guns because some people will use them to commit crimes or murder. Saying that everyone who corner crosses is going to trespass makes you sound exactly like the people who make those kinds of arguments. Dealing with enforcement of trespassing laws is a completely separate issue from corner crossing.

I think you should be able to corner cross. I think that was the original intent of the checker board. I also think when people know they can do it most are going to bend the rules and not just step across, they will cut corners, they will ride quads. It’s going to get abused and there is no enforcement or prosecution for abuse. That needs to be addressed also,