Central Firearms Offender Registry Legislation Passed 4/17 Update now a Database

[csaaphill]

lame this guy can't be bothered
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[Mudman]

He dont have time for the pee-ons!

[huntrights]

Central registries may start out with good intentions, but they are abuses waiting to happen.  This has been proven throughout recent history.

Call the Legislative Hotline at 1-800-562-6000.

I just called; it only takes a minute or two.


I have to add another note which I also told the hotline.  I am not opposed to law enforcement having access to criminal records; they have that now.  I am opposed to central registries because of their history of being abused by governments and the media.

[bigtex]

I think it is a hard sell (to a politician) to say why convicted felon firearm offenders should not be on a list. I personally expected more opposition in the legislature but with only 10 reps opposing it in the House. Looks like it should not have a problem in the Senate.

[bigtex]

That info was already posted

[huntrights]

To have your voice heard -

Call the Legislative Hotline at 1-800-562-6000

[blackdog]

Delvin has retired from the Senate and is now a County Commissioner in the tricities area.

[csaaphill]

Senator Roach asked that I respond on her behalf.

 

I have been watching the progress of HB 1612, maintaining a registry of firearms offenders with interest, and doing just a bit of analysis on the floor votes.

 

You are probably aware that HB 1612 passed the House with 85 yes votes and 10 no votes, with 3 excused. That is a tall vote count in favor, including plenty of Republicans.  You definitely have to turn the tide for this bill to not proceed.

 

To be sure, I empathize with your case. But just to illustrate the challenge, apparently the case FOR HB 1612 took hold deep on the Republican side in addition to all the Democrat yes votes, including: Republican Representatives Alexander, Angel, Buys, Carlyle, Dahlquist, DeBolt, Fagan, Haler, Hargrove, Harris, Hawkins, Hayes, Holy, Hope, Johnson, Klippert, Kochmar, Kretz, Magendanz, Manweller, Morrell, Nealey, O'Ban, Orcutt, Parker, Rodne, Ross, Schmick, Short, Smith, Vick, Walsh, Warnick, Wilcox.



This count exercise was important for me to wrap my head around the sense of from where this bill has come, noting that it has received significant support from people who are generally solid 2nd Amendment supporters. You have much to overcome in defeating this bill.

 

While HB 1612 has now been assigned in the Senate Law and Justice Committee, the best advice I can offer for your stated interests is to contact the committee Chairman Senator Mike Padden, a former judge, and make your most compelling case that HB 1612 should not be heard. Committee chairs control the agenda of their respective committees, which bills get heard and have even a chance to advance, and which bills do not receive a hearing and die that way. I do not know the predisposition of Senator Padden and cannot comment as to whether he would entertain your position. However, while there is not yet a hearing scheduled for HB 1612, the opportunity is now to make your case.

 

If HB 1612 gets slated for a hearing, then the gates are open that your efforts to contact committee members has purpose. Senator Roach is already familiar with your points. The other two Republican members of the L&J Committee are Senators Mike Carrell and Kirk Pearson. Those two, along with Sen. Roach and Chairman Padden would control whether HB 1612 would be voted out of committee. I would mention the three Democrat members of the committee by name, but I do not believe you will make progress with them at all, respectfully. Put your energy where it counts.

 

If HB 1612 gets a hearing, I strongly recommend that you appear at that hearing and sign up to give testimony. I recommend boiling down to your most compelling points and make them straight up front. You only get so much time at the mic, so be brief and to the point. Bring like-minded friends to either also testify or show support. Give it your best showing and presentation, be straight forward, engaged, impassioned but reasonable. Help these Senators understand your case in a principled sense. They’re good listeners, especially when someone is making perfect sense.

 

As I have listened to interviews on HB 1612, the case for the bill is being made on the basis of people who commit serious gun crimes having lesser gun crimes in their past. I suggest that you study the pro case very well. In argumentative cases, I have always found I do better when I understand the opposition and know their argument inside and out. Look for the flaws in what they claim, where they are going overboard in their assumptions and where they can just become flat footed when they’ve been caught stretching the truth.  Have good facts and stats, not tons, but just enough to make your case, especially when challenging the opposition. I cannot argue this case for you, as a staff person I am prohibited for lobbying. But I do recognize that you have a case to make, as your email clearly details. I suggest that a bit of opposition research may help sharpen your points.

 

Best of luck to you. I will be watching this bill and remembering the case you made, and watching for your progress.

 

Sincerely,

Charlie Kirry

Aide to Senator Pam Roach

a response i got
anyone near Oly if you oppose this bill i'd sure go and be heard

[bigtex]

4/5 Update

HB 1612 unanimously passed the Senate Law and Justice Committee which consists of Senators Padden, Darneille, Kline, Kohl-Welles, Pearson, and Roach. The bill now goes on to the Ways and Means Committee which will look at the costs of the bill, then the rules committee and finally up for a Senate vote then to the Governor.

[Jingles]

IMO this is going to turn into a firearms registration regardless of previous history. Registration turns into confiscation

[npaull]

Registration turns into confiscation

Oh crap! My car is registered!

[Heredoggydoggy]

AH--another law for the criminals to ignore....

[csaaphill]

yep tons of sex offenders don't follow the law so why would anyone else.
For now this may not be as bad as it sounds, but given time it will.
I look to this covering all Felons, and misdemeanors eventually, along with DUI's, drunkards much like CT's laws or NY's where only people of high moral charactor get a pistol licence. Simple assault, people that have been convicted of driving without a licence, No car ins, speeding tickets, shoplifters, peolple that have written bad checks, People who for one reason or another are on a Gov watch list like anyone who is against gun ctrl, Christains unless they support the powers that be.
Just anyone who doesn't support the ptb.

[christopheri]

Registration turns into confiscation

Oh crap! My car is registered!

Really?  

[snowpack]

Registration turns into confiscation

Oh crap! My car is registered!

In parts of the EU, the vehicle registration is used to increase taxes over the life of the vehicle.  With laws sprouted from carbon credits and clean air efforts, they make it more and more difficult to own an aging vehicle.  The governments can see 'who' owns what vehicle and how to tax individuals.  If the tax isn't paid, the vehicle is seized (confiscated).  The thought being that newer technology is increasingly friendly to the environment and the tax provides incentives to continually upgrade.  They have exceptions for some vehicles, like a 25 year old vehicle can be permitted under classic/antique status.  I think Belgium is the worst with the taxes and when a vehicle exceeds 5 years old the taxes are higher than the cost of a new vehicle.  The older cars go for resale in E Europe.
Point being, when the government has detailed databases on your possessions and they pass laws, they can really get intrusive.  Obama has said a few times how he wants to get old vehicles off the road here.  They offered Cash for Clunkers and he is promising incentives/directing challenges to the auto industry for 'new improved' and 'alternative energy' cars.  How long until a few in Congress think they need to speed the process and seize outdated cars here?  Not much different with guns (registration to confiscation).