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How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« on: December 10, 2008, 10:04:31 AM »
Have had quite a few people ask me about my process for cleaning skulls and doing European Mounts.  I just started a skull on December 9th so I will be adding pictures every couple days with comments on the process.  This will take a couple months.

This is what you are going to need!

1. 5 Gallon Bucket

2.  Floating Glass Aquarium Thermometer  

http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752255

3.  Fish Tank Heater  I would recommend a heater that can keep your 5 gallon bucket of water heated to at least 85 degrees in winter.  I wouldn't use anything less that the 150 Watts.  Make sure the heater is submersible.

I use the 200 - 250 Watt heaters but I have a 150 gallon tank used to water stock that I macerate in when I have several big skulls.  I will normally run no less than 5 - 200 Watt heaters in this tank at one time.

http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754055

4.  Knives or Scaple Blades.

5.  A coat hanger or something to get the brains out of the skull.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2008, 05:41:28 PM by Michelle_Nelson »

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 10:08:36 AM »
If the head has been in the freezer I will take it out and put the head down inside of the 5 gallon bucket to thaw for a couple days.



Once thawed out and using your choice of knife or scaple remove all the hide, meat, eye's, Lower jaw, and neck remaining on the skull!





This is a fully preped skull.  Their is still a good bit of meat left on the skull.  Their is plenty of meat removed for the process to work with out problems.  I don't bother removing the upper palat.  It will peal off in about a week.  Though the more meat you remove the faster the process witll go.  Usually you will only save a couple days on a deer skull.





Now using your coat hanger or other tool of choice that will fit inside the back of the skull and scramble the brains.  Now turn the skull up and let the brains run out of the hole while working the tool.  Using a hose you can spray water inside the brain cavity to help wash the brain out.





Now put the skull inside the 5 gallon bucket.  Put something between the antlers and bucket to keep the back of the skull down inside the bucket.  Fill the 5 gallon bucket up with water until the skull is under atleas 1" of water.  Also put the Fish Tank Heater and Floating Thermometer inside the bucket.  Go ahead and plug in the Fish tank Heater.






Now all you can do is wait.

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 08:20:47 PM »
Cool :). Except the brain part is kinda gross :puke:
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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 11:19:11 PM »
Except the brain part is kinda gross :puke:

Just looks like pudding!

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2008, 12:13:42 AM »
What do u do to bleach it?

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2008, 05:46:45 AM »
I use 27% peroxide.  I will go into more detail when I get that far on the skull!  :)

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2008, 06:30:11 AM »
So do you end up recoloring the bases of the horns once you are done?  I noticed some on your website that looked like they had been recolored..

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2008, 12:20:57 PM »
Nope.  Why would I recolor them? :dunno:

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2008, 12:26:39 PM »
Okay Michelle, done boiling and everything removed. How do you go about the final detailed cleaning in the tiny cracks? does the peroxide take care of this? Also, I thought I would like the natural yellow color but now think I want it white. If I cant get it cleaner I may have it Hydroprinted but cant find anyone with a desert type camo pattern.
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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2008, 12:56:26 PM »
Nope.  Why would I recolor them? :dunno:

If I would have thoroughly read your post I would have seen that you are soaking the deer head in water as a first step....not peroxide. Stupid me...
The peroxide that I use will bleach the antlers or anything it touches for that matter white.  I'm using 39% peroxide but would assume the stuff you're using would also do this.

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2008, 01:00:09 PM »
Nope.  Why would I recolor them? :dunno:


The peroxide that I use will bleach the antlers or anything it touches for that matter white.  I'm using 39% peroxide though...

I put the skull in peroxide up to about 1" from the antler burs and than I put paper towel around the pedical and top of skull.  Every hour I pour fresh peroxide on the towel. 

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2008, 01:03:50 PM »
How do you go about the final detailed cleaning in the tiny cracks? does the peroxide take care of this? Also, I thought I would like the natural yellow color but now think I want it white.

That is why I don't like boiling.  You won't get the conective tissue out between the bones and up inside the nasal cannal.  Peroxide won't get rid of it.

Peroxide should get rid of most if not all the yellowing.  The yellowing is probably grease set into the bone.  You are going to have to degrese.

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2008, 01:06:46 PM »
Nope.  Why would I recolor them? :dunno:


The peroxide that I use will bleach the antlers or anything it touches for that matter white.  I'm using 39% peroxide though...

I put the skull in peroxide up to about 1" from the antler burs and than I put paper towel around the pedical and top of skull.  Every hour I pour fresh peroxide on the towel. 


That sounds more like it. 

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2008, 01:12:08 PM »
Where are you getting 39% peroxide?  I have never heard of more than 35% being used.  IMO 39% is over kill.

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2008, 01:17:56 PM »
Water Treatment.   Call it overkill, but i've never had to soak skulls in water prior to peroxide...

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2008, 01:20:05 PM »
I'm not trying to jack your thread either, I find it very informative.   Also, I just ran out and looked at the tote of peroxide and it is 35%, smarty pants.

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2008, 04:26:39 PM »
Water Treatment.   Call it overkill, but i've never had to soak skulls in water prior to peroxide...

The water isn't a treatment.  Water is used to remove the flesh and membrane from the skull.  Prior to degreasing and whitening.

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2008, 05:03:23 PM »
Okay Michelle I thought it would be easier to show you a pic. How do I get these cracks, nasal cavity and teeth clean from this point?
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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2008, 06:02:32 PM »
I pulled the Skull out today (December 15th) to check on it's progress.  This is what it looked like right out of the bucket of water.









I spent approximately 3 minutes pulling off the loose flesh from the bone.  Most of the flesh, membrane and tendons should just fall off the skull.  It is important not to force the flesh removal. 

I did not remove the nose cartilage at this point because it is not ready.  Do not try to pull it out because it will more than likely break off and than it is a pain to get the rest out.

This is what the skull looked like when I got done pulling off the meat that was ready.









At this point it is time to 'freshen up" the Broth.  Dump out 1/4 of the water in the 5 gallon bucket and refill it with warm (over 90 degrees) water.  Replace the skull, thermometer, and Fish Tank Heater.  You will leave the skull in this water for another week.

*Broth is a word used to describe the water in the 5 gallon bucket once the skull has started macerating.  The broth is nothing but a bacteria soup.

The reason we dump out 1/4 of the water and replace it with fresh warm (over 90 degrees) water is to improve bacterial activity.  Bacteria is what is cleaning the skull.
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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2008, 06:06:12 PM »
Okay Michelle I thought it would be easier to show you a pic. How do I get these cracks, nasal cavity and teeth clean from this point?

The way I have done it in the past is Macerate it.  Get a 5 gallon bucket fill it with water and put the skull in it with a heater.  Than drop in about a 1/4 lbs piece of meat or some scraps off another skull.  The meat will get the bacteria activated.  One week should do the trick with your skull. 

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2008, 06:20:02 PM »
Thanks Michelle
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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2008, 04:56:53 PM »
When I was a kid my dad would find skulls from various animals in the woods and he never did all this. He left in near ant hill or in the path of a line of them and they stripped it clean. Is there a down side to this if you want to mount it?

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2008, 05:16:10 PM »
Sal soda in plain water will loosen meat and get rid of those hard to reach spots as well as bleaching a little bit.  I've soaked heads in sal soda for a week or two and then hit them (carefully) with a pressure washer and the meat comes right off.
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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2008, 07:07:51 PM »
this is a neat way to do it, a little longer, but if you dont have a whole afternoon a lot cleaner!  So are you done yet Michelle?

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Re: How to do a European Mount. . . Maceration.
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2008, 07:20:47 PM »
Nope.  Has atleast 1 more week in the broth.
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