2015 WA House Bill 1033 Giving Tools to WDFW For Access to Private Land

[bigtex]

The 2015 legislative session will begin in January and legislators are busy prefilling bills.

HB 1033 sponsored by Reps Blake, Hurst and Kretz would provide $ to WDFW to create access on private lands. The $ would come from the hazardous substance possession tax in WA. WDFW can use the $ to pay landowners for damages caused by public access, or pay other entities to clean up the damage/mess.

Basically the bill allows WDFW to enter into contracts with landowners that will basically say "if you provide access, we will pay for the cleanup of the littered items and damaged lands"

The bill:

1) The department must use any moneys made available to it under RCW 70.105D.070(7) to fund a program designed to assist private landowners in mitigating the damages and expenses incurred due to allowing public access to their lands for hunting. Specifically, the department may enter into agreements with private landowners who agree to allow free access to their land, or to portions of their land, to licensed hunters in exchange for assistance in removing and disposing of litter, garbage, hazardous materials, and other items that can potentially result from allowing public access.

(2) The department may use the moneys made available to it under RCW 70.105D.070(7) in the manner deemed by the department as the most efficient in implementing the intent of this section. This may include utilizing department staff, contracting with a third party, providing cash payments to the participating landowner, or utilizing
the Washington conservation corps created in chapter 43.220 RCW.

(3) Nothing in this section limits the ability of the departmentto enter into other agreements with private landowners to secure public recreational access with funds other than those provided in RCW 70.105D.070(7).

[TONTO]

 Didn't they already do this a few years back with a $5 added to the license price? How did that work out?

[bowbuild]

Sure, why not? It would take some of the major complaint factors out of big timbers whining. I am NOT in favor of them charging, and receiving these benefits. The government pisses enough money away on things we never get benefit from, so why not this! Or is this not directed at all land owners?

[JimmyHoffa]

So, raise taxes/costs on everyone to fund an account for WDFW to pay timber companies for messes by tweekers that prosecutors refuse to even take the case in exchange for access?  Basically giving tweekers a free pass to continue being bad. 

[stevemiller]

If this is the main reason for lack of access to some of these large private land tracks then I would be for this.Basically a land owner doesnt get anything out of letting us hunt their property so an insentive would be a good start.If im reading this correctly that is.We allready pay for everything the tweakers need or do what diff. would this make?

[buckfvr]

Blake, Hurst and Kretz  sponsored bill that will cost us tax payers....................Everything is at our expense, and lets not forget that.  Think about what you're ok with when it concerns your money.   

[csaaphill]

  you bet more access the better
 :yike:ed the more are saying no Bleep you!

[Wacenturion]

The path down which we pay monetarily for access ends in only access for those with the means.  Instead of actively having field staff who works primarilary with landowners and helps with landowner problems, we'll just throw money at the problem.  Kind of like our education system. 

What about those who have participated basically in free access over the years and now they see others who gave nothing, now get paid.  Besides there isn't enough money to pay for any meaningful amount of access.  Easy way out as far as management is concerned, and another excuse....i.e. we didn't bring in enough yet.....bla, bla, bla.

Oh, and don't forget the couple administrative high paying positions in Olympia to implement and monitor.

[csaaphill]

 
didnt tex say it's already paid for or something in a fund already set up for stuff like this?

[JimmyHoffa]

didnt tex say it's already paid for or something in a fund already set up for stuff like this?

Where does government money come from?  The actual source, not mid points.

[Mudman]

Sure.  I want to pay more taxes.  Then next year I want some more new taxes.  Wait-has that worked for me in the past?  We pay all these new fees-taxes now yet everything was better in the past???  Go figure. 

[csaaphill]

didnt tex say it's already paid for or something in a fund already set up for stuff like this?

Where does government money come from?  The actual source, not mid points.

guess no one wants access all  over not having access and hwen it comes people still 
Look not saying I want my fees to go up either or more taxes ifthey can pay this without doing that then good if not then I guess I will change my mind but untill then Im for anything that allows us/me more access insted of miles upon miles of stay ot keep out signs tresspassers will be prosecuted etc crap!
I don't get to go 50-100 miles a year to get to public land and if I do I certainly can't stay because I didnt have the gear or money to do so so ya anything close to home that allows me to go then heck ya.
and FYI I do respect land anyhows I close gates even if they werent when I got there, I do when I leave I dont litter so ya I treat it like your supposed to!

[JimmyHoffa]

didnt tex say it's already paid for or something in a fund already set up for stuff like this?

Where does government money come from?  The actual source, not mid points.

guess no one wants access all  over not having access and hwen it comes people still 
Look not saying I want my fees to go up either or more taxes ifthey can pay this without doing that then good if not then I guess I will change my mind but untill then Im for anything that allows us/me more access insted of miles upon miles of stay ot keep out signs tresspassers will be prosecuted etc crap!
I don't get to go 50-100 miles a year to get to public land and if I do I certainly can't stay because I didnt have the gear or money to do so so ya anything close to home that allows me to go then heck ya.
and FYI I do respect land anyhows I close gates even if they werent when I got there, I do when I leave I dont litter so ya I treat it like your supposed to!

I haven't even decided if I support this yet.  Just trying to figure out the details first.  How much does it cost to clean up a dumpsite?  What happens if WDFW runs out of money before hunting season, they can't afford to pay anymore for the year so what does the timber company do--get an IOU or close the gates?  How about when people find out that they're paying for trash collection in the form of tax or increased cost to a manufacturer, they decide to cancel home pick up and take it to the tree farms?  If they can tax/pass the cost on to everyone for access to private land, why not for state land (disco pass)?

[stevemiller]

They could get this going with min.tax hikes just by getting the several volunteer groups involved with these areas.

[csaaphill]

didnt tex say it's already paid for or something in a fund already set up for stuff like this?

Where does government money come from?  The actual source, not mid points.

guess no one wants access all  over not having access and hwen it comes people still 
Look not saying I want my fees to go up either or more taxes ifthey can pay this without doing that then good if not then I guess I will change my mind but untill then Im for anything that allows us/me more access insted of miles upon miles of stay ot keep out signs tresspassers will be prosecuted etc crap!
I don't get to go 50-100 miles a year to get to public land and if I do I certainly can't stay because I didnt have the gear or money to do so so ya anything close to home that allows me to go then heck ya.
and FYI I do respect land anyhows I close gates even if they werent when I got there, I do when I leave I dont litter so ya I treat it like your supposed to!

I haven't even decided if I support this yet.  Just trying to figure out the details first.  How much does it cost to clean up a dumpsite?  What happens if WDFW runs out of money before hunting season, they can't afford to pay anymore for the year so what does the timber company do--get an IOU or close the gates?  How about when people find out that they're paying for trash collection in the form of tax or increased cost to a manufacturer, they decide to cancel home pick up and take it to the tree farms?  If they can tax/pass the cost on to everyone for access to private land, why not for state land (disco pass)?

Ya I see that point too and ya don't wan't to pay increased fees so if they can pay without us taking it in the butt then ya I'm for it if not then most assuredly will be against, but as written I'm for for now.