My buddy saw this in Goldendale Thursday

[Sitka_Blacktail]

"A record-setting rare breed of small deer he claimed to have taken turned out to be another type of deer altogether."  This is where stuff like this leads and it is important to rat out those who are engaging in it.   

That quote was from an article it took me a while to relocate, but the facts have stayed with me for years.  Here is the article:   http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_9857832

This is probably the best read there is about Darner and his shenanigans.

http://hunts.net/darner.html

[tjthebest]

We all do realize that this is a nationally televised show right? Is WA state on the coast of the US?

pretty much anybody who is not is WA state, or intimately knows the state, would not disagree with what he said.

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Sometimes I wonder if there is some underlying character flaw or emotional issue that causes these hunting show celebrities to seemingly self destruct.   We sure have seen a fair amount of it lately. 

The character flaw is greed, or vanity. They either want the money of fame that comes with taking the biggest or most animals. This guy always is bragging about how many elk he has shot. Its impressive, something in the 50's, but he makes sure you know how many bull elk he has shot. I've always thought the guy was a turd.

[spin05]

Now don't any of you rapscallions go off half cocked and get this thread pulled. 

On another note:

I decided to take a look that the Twisted Horn website

Come join us on our private ranch of almost 10,000 acres for WORLD CLASS Trophy Quality Roosevelt Elk, Blacktail Deer, Black Bear (Color Phase), and a 2 Tom bag limit for Turkeys.

Our private property is located in the heart of Mt. Adams wilderness and consists of lush farm grounds mixed in with timber and creek systems, rolling mountains and giant green flats to keep our elk numbers high.

We are the only outfitter in Washington State that offers WORLD CLASS ROOSEVELT ELK AND BLACKTAIL DEER ON PRIVATE GROUND. Come hunt with the best!!!

WOW!!!!!  And then they have the gonads to prominently place this statement at the top of their "Deer" page: All species listed are recognized by Boone & Crockett and Pope & Young

However what they omit is that their private property is not located within the boundary descriptions published by either Boone & Crockett or Pope & Young.

Private ground hunting ranch in the middle of the mt adams wilderness???

[JDHasty]

We all do realize that this is a nationally televised show right? Is WA state on the coast of the US?

pretty much anybody who is not is WA state, or intimately knows the state, would not disagree with what he said.

Glad to see I am not all out on a limb on that assessment.  I posted something similar up the thread.  These clowns are selling to a national audience and what a tragedy it would be if someone from out of the area booked their dream hunt for a blacktail or Roosevelt elk with an outfit that lead them to believe that they were taking them on just such a hunt.  There is the potential to cause another person harm by participating in this kind of unethical obfuscation.  Burnwell probably doesn't even appreciate that aspect, he doesn't pay market price for the opportunities he enjoys. 

[JDHasty]

Now don't any of you rapscallions go off half cocked and get this thread pulled. 

On another note:

I decided to take a look that the Twisted Horn website

Come join us on our private ranch of almost 10,000 acres for WORLD CLASS Trophy Quality Roosevelt Elk, Blacktail Deer, Black Bear (Color Phase), and a 2 Tom bag limit for Turkeys.

Our private property is located in the heart of Mt. Adams wilderness and consists of lush farm grounds mixed in with timber and creek systems, rolling mountains and giant green flats to keep our elk numbers high.

We are the only outfitter in Washington State that offers WORLD CLASS ROOSEVELT ELK AND BLACKTAIL DEER ON PRIVATE GROUND. Come hunt with the best!!!

WOW!!!!!  And then they have the gonads to prominently place this statement at the top of their "Deer" page: All species listed are recognized by Boone & Crockett and Pope & Young

However what they omit is that their private property is not located within the boundary descriptions published by either Boone & Crockett or Pope & Young.

Private ground hunting ranch in the middle of the mt adams wilderness???

The more we dig around and the closer we look at what we are finding in the public record (much of it put there by the individuals whose character we have questions about) the less we like what we are finding. 

[Coastal_native]

In light of all this new information, I have moved this issue up two spots on my list of concerns as a hunter...although, it was a tough call because it passed up two issues that I consider to be very detrimental to hunting.

#1. Anti hunters advancing their agenda
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#999,999.  A reality TV show host fudging the line between blacktails and muleys.

#1,000,000.  Those stupid Rage broadhead commercials with the caveman.

#1,000,001.  Nagging Wives.

[eastfork]

 Just two spots!!!!?

[Goshawk]

I want to know what products he vouches for so that I can mark them off my "to buy list". 

I'll not support that sort of dishonest crap on any level.

[JDHasty]

I want to know what products he vouches for so that I can mark them off my "to buy list". 

I'll not support that sort of dishonest crap on any level.

[eastfork]

 

[MuleDeer]

"A record-setting rare breed of small deer he claimed to have taken turned out to be another type of deer altogether."  This is where stuff like this leads and it is important to rat out those who are engaging in it.   

That quote was from an article it took me a while to relocate, but the facts have stayed with me for years.  Here is the article:   http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_9857832

You're comparing felony wildlife crimes to embellishing a story, or the species shot?  What Darner did, what Allwine did, what the boys in Alaska did last year, and even what Theresa Vail did this year in Alaska are crimes.  I understand the argument for misleading folks from across the country who may book this hunt, absolutely.  But I've heard tons more about this one hunt than all of what Allwine did...why is that?  Is it because Burnworth is a bigger star, more visible than Allwine was, or what?
I spoke with the VP of Programming for the Outdoor Channel yesterday about Theresa Vail and her show, and the double standard that they could be showing by continuing her show.  He advised me that they are not renewing with her, much like Allwine lost his show, and so did the boys from Alaska and Mississippi.  That's deserved, in my opinion; they broke the law, flat out.  I don't personally care what line WDFW puts on a species, or B&C, for that matter.  The animals don't care either, and I know for a fact that Jim doesn't enter any of his animals into the record books, so he's not committing fraud there.  He misspoke, intentionally or not, big deal.  I'm not so enthralled by the show hosts that I care that much, and I know many of them personally.  It's a business, and EVERY show embellishes scenes, camera set ups, etc to some point.
You want to get fired up about somebody fooling you?  Look no further than any retailer this time of year using every trick in the book to get you into their store using blatant lies to simple "mis-speaks".

[bobcat]

I don't think it was just this one time that bothers people, it's the fact that this is the second time he has flat out lied as to where he was hunting. The first time he was hunting elk near Graham, and on TV he stated that the bull he killed was a true Roosevelt elk by Boone & Crockett standards. He emphasized that as if it was very important to him. Sorry, but I don't like liars.

[JDHasty]

I don't think it was just this one time that bothers people, it's the fact that this is the second time he has flat out lied as to where he was hunting. The first time he was hunting elk near Graham, and on TV he stated that the bull he killed was a true Roosevelt elk by Boone & Crockett standards. He emphasized that as if it was very important to him. Sorry, but I don't like liars.

AND the fact that people are defending/justifying/making light of what Burnworth has been doing.  This is not the first time he has pulled this and this is not the first outfitter he has featured on his show that has had a reputation for..... shall we say fudging the truth with regards to blacktail deer and Roosevelt elk.  That is what is known as a "pattern of behavior."     

[dfresh96]

After all this I sure hope to see you set up next to their booth at sportsmanshows warning all potential customers....