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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #100 on: January 19, 2011, 08:45:29 AM »
I cant wait for the day I drive over sastus pass, and look , and see Antelope grazing in the feilds.

This is a great idea, and I hope one day my kids have the chance to mount one on there walls.

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #101 on: January 19, 2011, 09:41:30 AM »
Josh,
I am not to good at posting pics. send me your phone number and I will send you a pic off my cell phone. I filmed the whole event with the exception of the release which was done late at night as we did not want to keep them contained any longer than we need to and we did not want to stress them any more than necessary with alot of flashes going off.
I'm surprised that the release would have been done this way (late at night).  I would think that such a significant event would have had press releases for all media outlets, local and state news crews there to film it for regional TV, a film crew from SCI so that they can fully document their work here in the state, etc.  It seems like something that would have been a big deal, with a lot of attention.  

It just surprises me that we, the public, didn't hear about this release before it was done, or get to see it live, as it was being done.

Perhaps this was intentionally kept on the "down low"?  

Hopefully, the next time something like this is scheduled to happen, the media is better at sniffing it out and letting the public know about it in advance.

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They wanted to keep the stress to the animals to a minimum and get them out of the trailers ASAP?


from what I gather antelope dont do captivity well so night release quickly and quietly to reduce stress would be important ..it isnt always secret agendas and stuff sometimes it is simple good animal handling practices to increase the odds of success.
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #102 on: January 19, 2011, 10:02:17 AM »
Congratulations to the Yakama Nation, the  Nevada Game department and all of the volunteering people and organizatons that made this transplant happen.  I hope these animals do well.  I am curious if anyone knows why WDFW was not able to work with Nevada when they were first approached??????Anyone have any insight to what happened?

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #103 on: January 19, 2011, 10:16:57 AM »
This got me to thinking...I wonder if WDFW would get on board if we could get this on the news and tell the truth about how it all took place and the dept's lack of motivation on this issue.  :dunno:
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #104 on: January 19, 2011, 10:28:38 AM »
It would probably be along the lines of the WDFW is not in the business of providing targets for hunters.  :dunno:

Seriously, I think the issue may have been that there really is no proof that antelope were ever present in this state. So they'd be introducing an invasive species.

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #105 on: January 19, 2011, 10:37:46 AM »
Not sure about that Bobcat.  I think there were originally some here.
You are right about one thing though, the ranchers will consider them an "invasive species".  In Montana they hold them just above rats...  Possibly one reason this was kept fairly quiet...
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2011, 11:49:56 AM »
Not sure about that Bobcat.  I think there were originally some here.
You are right about one thing though, the ranchers will consider them an "invasive species".  In Montana they hold them just above rats...  Possibly one reason this was kept fairly quiet...

I wonder if the fact that these were released on the Yakama reservation, by the Yakama's, if the WDFW will not have to pay for any damage they do to private property, as they do with deer/elk.

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #107 on: January 19, 2011, 11:50:39 AM »
     I'm glad to see it's finally happened! Somebody asked if Wdfw was that hard to work with.......Are you kidding me? when I moved home from Montana, I was at a hunter safety course with one of my kids, and told the biologist and warden in attendance how happy I was to see a thriving deer herd on the wildlife refuge (columbia, white bluffs area) bordering my family's farm......there response was to inform me that the next year they were implementing an either sex season to eliminate the herd as much as possible! their reasoning was that deer were not "indiginous" to the area! I congratulated them on their "forward thinking" and replied that we are far better off to manage our state for jackrabbits and horny toads than for big game animals that could undoubtedly bring much needed revenue to the state! I had asked them also about the chance of planting goats on the wildlife refuge (Columbia) and they laughed and said slim to none. What a waste of prime antelope range! Natural borders abound and private land encroachment would be minimal, but as was said before, our wonderful, and insightful game department just doesn't want to deal with it. how sad. I for one am glad the tribe stepped up and brought them in!
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2011, 11:59:20 AM »
Not sure about that Bobcat.  I think there were originally some here.
You are right about one thing though, the ranchers will consider them an "invasive species".  In Montana they hold them just above rats...  Possibly one reason this was kept fairly quiet...

I wonder if the fact that these were released on the Yakama reservation, by the Yakama's, if the WDFW will not have to pay for any damage they do to private property, as they do with deer/elk.

Probably got something to do with it.  Less red tape to get it approved...
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2011, 12:12:10 PM »
I got a bad feeling about this and I'm guessing I won't be told the answer.

How long was it from the time these antelope were captured and the time they were shipped?
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2011, 12:13:25 PM »
what do you mean?
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2011, 12:25:16 PM »
I got a bad feeling about this and I'm guessing I won't be told the answer.

How long was it from the time these antelope were captured and the time they were shipped?

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In a lightning-fast move, 100 antelope were captured Saturday by the Nevada Department of Wildlife and dozens of volunteers, and 99 were driven in livestock trailers to the Mabton area of the Yakama Nationís reservation and released.


They were released starting around 10:45 pm saturday night.

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2011, 02:41:40 PM »
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what do you mean?

What I'm getting at (and I realize that I'll be the bad guy here, and no, it doesn't bother me) is that collecting animals from another state and bringing them into this state without proper testing, (or without waiting for the results of those tests) is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE.

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There is extensive testing that is done on livestock that cross state lines and unless there is some sort of test that I'm unaware of.........these actions were done foregoing the responsible testing.

I can appreciate cutting a few corners and red tape to get things done, but not at the risk to Washington agriculture.    :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2011, 02:44:18 PM »
That doesn't make you a bad guy, seems like a reasonable question to me  :dunno:
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #114 on: January 19, 2011, 03:06:49 PM »
That doesn't make you a bad guy, seems like a reasonable question to me  :dunno:

I agree and must admit, I had not thought of that, good thinking Gringo, hopefully they were tested or ?
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2011, 03:15:28 PM »
I think its cool and i am planning a trip to go look at them this weekend with my daughter... And as for the talk of them being poached by natives or by WHITEY as some would say,   the tribe is watching them very close and is doing a great job, They have done this before with the sheep and are doing a great job of managing them... Thanks Yakama Nation for doing this..

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #116 on: January 19, 2011, 03:16:11 PM »
I would wager to guess that the blood was pulled for disease testing.  However, my guess is that pronghorn cannot be held very long due to stress related issues resulting from capture and captivity.   Therefore, they were relocated and released ASAP.  I would hope that if any contagious diseases show up in the blood tests that the diseased animals or herd will be eradicated.  However, I would hope that Nevada would not offer up pronghorn from areas where known disease issues occur within the population.  I don't think I would get too worked up until all the details have been announced.

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2011, 04:11:25 PM »
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Good reply as all of the antelope were ear tagged and with many colors in case there were any issues. Their vets were on site and did take blood samples from each antelope for testing purposes. Also 40% of them have radio callars on them. I am sure they can find them and any particular one if neccessary. Nevada Game Dept. is not new at doing this and were very professional in all aspects of how this was handled.

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #118 on: January 19, 2011, 04:27:02 PM »
 
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Testing then shipping to find our results later is NOT professional.


I happen to know they were tested, I also am told they are waiting for results.
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2011, 04:41:57 PM »
It isn't uncommon to relocate animals that reside in an area that does not have a history of contagious diseases without prior test results in hand. 

The price tag would be substantially increased if you had to catch the animals, test them, realease them and then catch them again at a later date once the results were in.  Not only do you have to catch them twice, you double the stress on the animals, not to mention the huge increase in the price tag associated with the relocation.

It sounds like they were released in a designated area that probably is in no way near cattle, so they should have the results prior to any antelope leaving the rez.   One would think the Tribe doesn't want to invest money in this relocation and then release them in an area where they can walk right off the reservation.


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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #120 on: January 19, 2011, 05:41:13 PM »
I think that's all fine and good but in reality total BS.

It IS uncommon and usually illegal to move animals across state lines without the proper testing and paperwork.

The "price tag" is cheap in comparison to an "issue".



Why does the res have the right to put Washington Agriculture at risk because they don't want to pony up the cost of doing it correctly?  Why do the cattlemen have to pony up the $$$ to test, release, read, then resample any animals with a reaction?  That causes stress to the cattle, as well as labor etc.

Don't get me too wrong here.  I like that people had a goal and got it done.  I do believe it to end up in a train wreck, but this type of BS of shipping before anyone knows if there were any positives is crazy.  I suppose the rules apply to those that follow them.

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #121 on: January 19, 2011, 05:51:15 PM »
Gringo31 is spot on,and I do hope the WSDA and state Vet do get involved, Laws have been broken.
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #122 on: January 19, 2011, 07:28:12 PM »
I think that's all fine and good but in reality total BS.

It IS uncommon and usually illegal to move animals across state lines without the proper testing and paperwork.

The "price tag" is cheap in comparison to an "issue".



Why does the res have the right to put Washington Agriculture at risk because they don't want to pony up the cost of doing it correctly?  Why do the cattlemen have to pony up the $$$ to test, release, read, then resample any animals with a reaction?  That causes stress to the cattle, as well as labor etc.

Don't get me too wrong here.  I like that people had a goal and got it done.  I do believe it to end up in a train wreck, but this type of BS of shipping before anyone knows if there were any positives is crazy.  I suppose the rules apply to those that follow them.




no laws have been broken and yes they still do transport cattle and other live stock across state line without test in hand...why do you think its just the NATION the nevada state game is in it to along with the SCI...

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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #123 on: January 19, 2011, 09:20:27 PM »
If pronghorn ARE native to this state, and there is proof of that, then the WDFW SHOULD be working to re-establish pronghorn populations just as they are doing with wolves.   :bash:  You'd think they'd be all for it, considering the antelope would provide more food for the wolves.   :dunno:
I have not read all the posts so this may be redundant, but as a kid elk hunting the west bar I counted 17 antelope, and saw them 2 different times 2 years apart. Are they still there anyone know? :dunno:
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Re: Antelope Reintroduction to Washington
« Reply #124 on: January 20, 2011, 03:14:17 AM »
I think that's all fine and good but in reality total BS.

It IS uncommon and usually illegal to move animals across state lines without the proper testing and paperwork.

The "price tag" is cheap in comparison to an "issue".



Why does the res have the right to put Washington Agriculture at risk because they don't want to pony up the cost of doing it correctly?  Why do the cattlemen have to pony up the $$$ to test, release, read, then resample any animals with a reaction?  That causes stress to the cattle, as well as labor etc.

Don't get me too wrong here.  I like that people had a goal and got it done.  I do believe it to end up in a train wreck, but this type of BS of shipping before anyone knows if there were any positives is crazy.  I suppose the rules apply to those that follow them.




no laws have been broken and yes they still do transport cattle and other live stock across state line without test in hand...why do you think its just the NATION the nevada state game is in it to along with the SCI...

I transport horses every year across state lines and I am required to have them vet checked and vaccinated or it is a violation of law. Don't get me wrong, I am very glad to see antelope being brought in, but gringo has raised a valid question and I do hope some precautions were taken.

When you travel to New Zealand everything is inspected. They have a pretty clean country and they want to keep it that way which is smarter than the US has been in the past. If your boots are even dirty and if you have visited a farm or hunted anywhere recently, they sterilize your boots. One time I had an arrow in my quiver that I had killed my muskox with, it had a new broadhead but still had some blood on the shaft, they cleaned and sterilized it. This is how they have prevented the spread of disease, noxious weeds, etc.

So even though I fully support the transplant, I do hope precautions were taken.
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