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so we all agree that we want hounds and baiting back, how do we go about getn it back, i have a democrat cousin well he is my grandmas cousin his name is norm dicks. couldnt tell you if that is a good thing or a bad thing but could he help or who does a person write, i am as far from a politician as a person can get, so i couldnt even begin to know how, what, where or who to talk to, to get maybe hounds back or baiting or god willing both back, i will be happy to right letters call people, get signatures or just flat bug the hell outta someone, i think if the public got the honest truth from the hunters side it would get voted back in.
my grandpa always said "if it aint broke dont fix it"

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I agree. The cougar population is way to high. Since we can't use hounds then I see no problem for the season to run like the bobcat and fox seasons. If they want to make money then why not be able to shoot as many cougars as we want but must have a tag for each permit? Sounds fair. Even with that there's no way wed kill every cougar. I'd hope it would bring the population down some.

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i have hunted for a good number of years now as many on here have and i have seen 2 cougars that i could have shot in the wild without the use of hounds, i believe without getting hound huntn back we will do nothing but see the population just keep going up and up until they gotta survive on human flesh and bears for that matter
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yeah tell me if this does not make sense to ya .. they are now letting US bowhunters carry a pistol but we should not worry about being attacked by a bear or cougar when in the field ... :dunno:  I just wish someone had some common sense in managing wildlife .. Why can we talk good sense but they have no clue ? running hounds is no easy chore by any means... I drew a tag one year for hounds and it was so cold and we drove our butts off to come up short and then last year I kill one 10 min from my house... you tell me ..and then when you do kill one on foot they want to investigate ya for hound hunting .....I do not know why I always try helping the wdfw , maybe its because I love hunting and sorry I kill to much sh$t ... :sry:

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grandpa always said common sense aint to common, i cant wai for some high muckidee muck gets slaped around by a cougar or a bear, thats when things will change in a hurry
my grandpa always said "if it aint broke dont fix it"

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The Bio's say we are killing too many cougars in certain units thats why some west side units are permit only for boot hunters  after the end of december wich I think is rediculas. We are being over run by cougars IMO. Deer pops are on the decline in a few areas and there are way more cougars being killed and way more sightings.

The bios say...the bios say.

These the same bios who say it's okay to have wolves here, they won't eat all of the deer and elk....

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What does that prove? That 39 inch steelhead is always overstimated, a 300 class bull is usually in the 270 range, a 30 inch buck in usually no more then 25 inches wide??? The only native species of wolf is the timber wolf, a much smaller version.

The timberwolf is just another name for the gray wolf. There are 2 species of wolf in North America, the red wolf and the gray wolf. The gray wolf is sometimes called the timberwolf, but it is a gray wolf. The "native" wolf was not much smaller. The "native" wolf was 5-20 pounds smaller on average than the reintroduced gray wolves. Size is determined by diet.
BULL SH&T what about the Loafer Wolf, or the Red Wolf.  Your lack of knowledge and lies are seeping through.

seth30, please reread my comment again. The "loafer" wolf is a gray wolf. I mentioned the red wolf already. I said there are 2 types of wolf in North America and that is the gray wolf and the red wolf.

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What does that prove? That 39 inch steelhead is always overstimated, a 300 class bull is usually in the 270 range, a 30 inch buck in usually no more then 25 inches wide??? The only native species of wolf is the timber wolf, a much smaller version.

The timberwolf is just another name for the gray wolf. There are 2 species of wolf in North America, the red wolf and the gray wolf. The gray wolf is sometimes called the timberwolf, but it is a gray wolf. The "native" wolf was not much smaller. The "native" wolf was 5-20 pounds smaller on average than the reintroduced gray wolves. Size is determined by diet.
BULL SH&T what about the Loafer Wolf, or the Red Wolf.  Your lack of knowledge and lies are seeping through.

seth30, please reread my comment again. The "loafer" wolf is a gray wolf. I mentioned the red wolf already. I said there are 2 types of wolf in North America and that is the gray wolf and the red wolf.

I dont know what this has to do with wolves.  People do not trust the garbage numbers coming out of the WDFW.  In 2002 the estimated cougar population was 2500-3500.  Cougar complaints had gotten so bad that the department initiated the Cougar Pilot Program to help deal with problem cats.  That program was not started until 2004.  Yet in 2003, a year before the pilot program started the est. pop was lowered to 1900-2100 cats.  Anyone with half a brain can see there is a major problem with those numbers.   Yet the department ate it up without question.  From 2004-2007 the average harvest was 200 cats taken every year.  That includes all methods of harvests.  In 2008 the harvest numbers went down to 188 cats but the new population estimate went up to 2000-2500.  The population went up but the WDFW decided to implement extremely reduced seasons and weapon restricted seasons.  A bit excessive for only 12 less cats harvested. 

The point is that no one trusts anything that the WDFW spews out anymore.  So for you to come on here and keep spewing the same old lines over and over is not going to convince anyone.  We have heard what you have to say and it has been disregarded.  Get over it and move on.

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What does that prove? That 39 inch steelhead is always overstimated, a 300 class bull is usually in the 270 range, a 30 inch buck in usually no more then 25 inches wide??? The only native species of wolf is the timber wolf, a much smaller version.

The timberwolf is just another name for the gray wolf. There are 2 species of wolf in North America, the red wolf and the gray wolf. The gray wolf is sometimes called the timberwolf, but it is a gray wolf. The "native" wolf was not much smaller. The "native" wolf was 5-20 pounds smaller on average than the reintroduced gray wolves. Size is determined by diet.
BULL SH&T what about the Loafer Wolf, or the Red Wolf.  Your lack of knowledge and lies are seeping through.

seth30, please reread my comment again. The "loafer" wolf is a gray wolf. I mentioned the red wolf already. I said there are 2 types of wolf in North America and that is the gray wolf and the red wolf.

I dont know what this has to do with wolves.  People do not trust the garbage numbers coming out of the WDFW.  In 2002 the estimated cougar population was 2500-3500.  Cougar complaints had gotten so bad that the department initiated the Cougar Pilot Program to help deal with problem cats.  That program was not started until 2004.  Yet in 2003, a year before the pilot program started the est. pop was lowered to 1900-2100 cats.  Anyone with half a brain can see there is a major problem with those numbers.   Yet the department ate it up without question.  From 2004-2007 the average harvest was 200 cats taken every year.  That includes all methods of harvests.  In 2008 the harvest numbers went down to 188 cats but the new population estimate went up to 2000-2500.  The population went up but the WDFW decided to implement extremely reduced seasons and weapon restricted seasons.  A bit excessive for only 12 less cats harvested. 

The point is that no one trusts anything that the WDFW spews out anymore.  So for you to come on here and keep spewing the same old lines over and over is not going to convince anyone.  We have heard what you have to say and it has been disregarded.  Get over it and move on.

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I dont know what this has to do with wolves.  People do not trust the garbage numbers coming out of the WDFW.  In 2002 the estimated cougar population was 2500-3500.  Cougar complaints had gotten so bad that the department initiated the Cougar Pilot Program to help deal with problem cats.  That program was not started until 2004.  Yet in 2003, a year before the pilot program started the est. pop was lowered to 1900-2100 cats.  Anyone with half a brain can see there is a major problem with those numbers.   Yet the department ate it up without question.  From 2004-2007 the average harvest was 200 cats taken every year.  That includes all methods of harvests.  In 2008 the harvest numbers went down to 188 cats but the new population estimate went up to 2000-2500.  The population went up but the WDFW decided to implement extremely reduced seasons and weapon restricted seasons.  A bit excessive for only 12 less cats harvested. 

The point is that no one trusts anything that the WDFW spews out anymore.  So for you to come on here and keep spewing the same old lines over and over is not going to convince anyone.  We have heard what you have to say and it has been disregarded.  Get over it and move on.

From what I've read, I haven't seen where the WDFW has given any definite population numbers for cougars. They pretty much admit that they don't know how many cats there are.

From the 2009-2015 Game Management Plan:

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really how many people are out there that would be upset to not see cougars around? I'm not saying hey lets kill them all off. But they aren't like deer and elk or anything else where people love seeing them around. Besides when they're tearing up a farmers land. I wouldn't enjoy seeing one in my yard like a deer. I wouldn't enjoy seeing one at all unless I had a tag and could shoot it. There are way more around then we need in this state.

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:DOH:  Ummm I believe I used the word "estimate" about as often as I could.     Regardless they use those numbers to adjust seasons and harvest levels.  They use those numbers to tell if the population is growing or shrinking.  As you correctly said they really dont have any idea but I think they can do a much better job at estimating.
 
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The cougar population for the year 2008 was estimated to be 2000 to 2,500 animals. The cougar population in eastern Washington is declining and the westside population is stable. The Department of Fish and Wildlife has nine management zones around the state designated for "maintain" or "decline," and adjusts harvest levels accordingly.

If those numbers are completely flawed or being manipulated then there is a problem.  Of course I dont expect them to try and count all the cougars but using numbers from three areas and then extrapolating them across the whole state is rediculous.  Any technique that approximated the minimum at 900 cats should be thrown out the window.  If I was having record complaints and was working to implement a pilot hound hunting program and then got a new report that had a 1500 drop in population I would throw it in the trash where it belongs.  But they didnt, they used them.  And not only did they use them, they used  6 year old estimates to draft the 2009-2015 management plan despite having new number from 2008. 

Corruption or incompetence?  You decide.

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really how many people are out there that would be upset to not see cougars around? I'm not saying hey lets kill them all off. But they aren't like deer and elk or anything else where people love seeing them around. Besides when they're tearing up a farmers land. I wouldn't enjoy seeing one in my yard like a deer. I wouldn't enjoy seeing one at all unless I had a tag and could shoot it. There are way more around then we need in this state.

I have a great fondness for these animals.  I would be very upset to not have a good healthy sustainable population.  You are absolutely right about there being more than we need though.

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Bobcat thanks for posting the cougar map from the WDFW.

I would like to point out that we have all seen the photos of the group of cougar (I think it was 8 of them), wasn't those  photo taken in the middle of the white area where there are supposed to be no cougar....  :chuckle:

If that is the case, we definitely have more cougar than WDFW claims. :twocents:
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