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Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« on: June 03, 2011, 08:22:24 PM »
I am ramping up the wolf discussions again. You all know I am passionate about the future of hunting in Washington, for the next few months while the Wildlife Comnmission determines the final Washington Wolf Plan it is imperative that hunters have heavy input.  It is now time, we all need to make our voices heard. Please post your thoughts about wolves in this thread.

Do you think we need 15 breeding pairs in Washington?
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 08:25:01 PM »
no we do not.  the wolves time and place have ended in the lower 48.  They cannot succesfully coexsist along side us in this modern age.  To allow wolve to stay or to implant them will create future conflicts with ranchers, farmers, outdoorsmen, hikers, and valuable tax dollars will be wasted trying to protect this species.  :twocents:
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 08:26:37 PM »
Sorry if I sound so blunt.  Not trying to offend anyone.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2011, 08:29:04 PM »
Humans have taken the place of wolves.... We have controlled populations by hunting and simply by destroying habitat itself with growth. We do not need wolves!!!!


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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2011, 08:31:16 PM »
I think the most difficult part of the 15 breeding pairs will not be the 15 breeding pairs but where they need to be. Thats my biggest issue. You could have 15 breeding pairs between the northeast and the methow for instance but thats not good enough. You got to have 3 here and 2 there and some here and some there....that'll be the hardest part of meeting population objectives to achieve the delisting by today's standards.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 08:35:41 PM »
 I don't think we NEED any wolves in this state. There were never gray wolves here in the first place. Completely different canines than what were here historically. Bringing in the wrong wolf carrying a horrid disease (Hydatid) should be a felony offense. Too many urbanites in love w/there filthy little muts and Disney movies don't get the sheer size of these animals and the destruction they cause to the ungulate herds. I wish the tribes would unite and sue the feds over what will amount to be the end of thier hunting as well. AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!     But, I digress.  :chuckle:
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 08:37:49 PM »
Last spring the WDFG put on a wolf presentation for a local group here in Spokane.
It was attended by Quadrafire,Whacker and Myself.


http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,72248.0.html

The thing that I found most disturbing is that they will only count a pack if they breed in this state, not those that are close to a border either Canada or Idaho. Even though they are crossing the lines to feed on the resource we have here.

The Bio even made mention of a pack in the Salmo that spends it time in all 3 parts but it doesn't count.

There have been wolves in this state since the late 70's along the border but just not to the extent that they wish to have now.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 08:41:54 PM »
100% NO, there is enough predators in the Eco system to take care of the role of predator. The wolf is to good of a predator and often kills way more then they need and for sport. They will decimate the population of moose in the north east and even the sheep and goat herds that are sensitive as they are already. There is no reason to have wolves in this state. The herds of deer and elk will be erased and the wolves will run free with the people running the fish and wildlife. Who care more about the cougars and bears and wolves then they do about our deer and elk herds. Then the livestock/ranchers like myself, will pay the ultimate price for the wolf lovers who have brought them back to our state. I will never support the wolf being in washington. From the " " migratory wolves and the ones dumped out already there is way more then 15 breeding pair in washington.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 08:45:50 PM »
No we do not, the folks at the WDFW will be out of a job if we do because nobody will be buying hunting licences, tags or special permits. what we will be doing is buying wolf tags and I dont want to eat dog.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 08:48:26 PM »
There was a reason our forefathers killed them off.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 08:49:17 PM »
Sorry if I sound so blunt.  Not trying to offend anyone.

Seth, we are talking wolf wars, let it all out, I want to hear your real thoughts on this. This topic is posted to get real thoughts, forget about politically correct. Tell us what you think....  :twocents:
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 08:54:51 PM »
We need to lower the penalties for the taking of wolves out of season. Make it equal to the lowest parking infraction.    :twocents:

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 09:00:58 PM »
In one of the states they tried to get a bounty passed in the legislature, but too many legislators were afraid it would hinder getting delisting in Congress.

Guess what, it's pretty darn abvious Malloy is going to overrule Congress anyway.  :twocents:
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 09:06:19 PM »
I would like to know the real driving force behind the reintroduction.  What is the real reason they are pushing this so hard?
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 09:17:57 PM »
DoubleJ, ever hear of the "Wildlands Project?"
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 09:22:51 PM »
googling it now
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 09:31:12 PM »
I would like to know the real driving force behind the reintroduction.  What is the real reason they are pushing this so hard?
To put "balance" in natures hand so that hunters are'nt needed to control the animals. Then, since they won't need hunters, there will be less need for gun ownership. And no better way to control the people than disarming and brainwashing them.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 09:34:23 PM »
That's a crap plan.  These animals were almost erradicated for a reason and the reason for not reintroducing them remains the same today.

How many states down south have a "deer problem" because they have few natural predators?  What do those states do?  Look at Georgia.  A resident can spend $9 for a deer license, $16 for a 2 year license, or $500 for a lifetime license.  For that money, each hunter gets at least a 1 month hunting season, some counties are 4 months.  Bag limits for your $9, $16, or $500 is 10 antlerless AND 2 antlered deer, each season!

12 frickin' deer for $9.  That's how you manage an ungulate population without adding an invasive, un-needed species.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2011, 09:34:35 PM »
 
[ To put "balance" in natures hand so that hunters are'nt needed to control the animals. Then, since they won't need hunters, there will be less need for gun ownership. And no better way to control the people than disarming and brainwashing them.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2011, 09:35:07 PM »
I would like to know the real driving force behind the reintroduction.  What is the real reason they are pushing this so hard?
To put "balance" in natures hand so that hunters are'nt needed to control the animals. Then, since they won't need hunters, there will be less need for gun ownership. And no better way to control the people than disarming and brainwashing them.

3nails, you hit the nail on the head...  :chuckle:
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2011, 09:41:36 PM »
I stongly disagree with the distribution of the 15 breeding pairs. I think each region should be examined independently and controlled regional hunts allowed after regional goals are met- NOT statewide. The way they have it proposed now will be to late for our states deer/elk in certain areas of the state not to mention the breeding pairs must be established for 3 years first. WOW! Our states animal populations regionally will be decimated by the time the proposed plan is met...not to mention the I-5 cooridor voters of this state will only hurt deer/elk/ranchers/cattle/hunters/ECONOMY even more by their inaction to allow the most proven game management method to be used- hunting.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2011, 09:44:12 PM »


I believe we are being narrow minded. It is not just to eliminate the need for human hunting it is to eliminate the need for human interaction with the "Wildland" period. If the Game is eradicated we will no longer venture out there. Yes, the "Viewing Revenue" in bunk and also irrelevant. It is apples and oranges. The plan is to lower the numbers of some species to levels that are not sustainable. That is the plan, and or, the results. Next is the Ranchers, then the Farmers. Close the roads to logging. Corridors Complete. We are in a War folks, we need to wake up.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2011, 09:47:12 PM »
So, what can be done?

1.  Vote our dems out of office?  Good luck with that.  Besides, having a conservative gov't body hasn't helped Montana or Idaho fight this battle.

2.  Voice our concerns?  Seems like after the past decade of doing this, it falls on deaf ears.'

3.  Try to work with those in power to come to an amicable resolution?  Doesn't seem like their interested.

4.  SSS?  Illegal if caught.  Tough to find the animals and probably too many to shoot, especially without getting caught.

I hate feeling like there is nothing that can be done but, I'm starting to feel like that about the wolves.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2011, 10:04:51 PM »
wolves's? well they concern me. I run sheep and cattle on a pasture that is just west of the SR 17 line, so they may impact me,over and above the concern for wildlife.
However if we take the stance that there is nothing we can do, well you just surrendered my chance and yours. one voice in the wilderness is not heard, however voices united can and will be heard.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2011, 10:23:07 PM »
15 pairs, then 30 pairs then 60 pairs. quality wolf, male wolf, female wolf, multi season wolf, wolf pup, high hunt wolf, west side or eastside wolf. thats about all well have left if they do this. we need wolves like id., wy., and mt. do. WHY! i ask you WHY?!
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