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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2010, 08:32:54 AM »
Sunday, December 6, 1992
100 sightings were reported in 1981, and last year there were 200, ranging as far south as Mount St. Helens, Almak said.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19921206&slug=1528536

Friday, April 17, 1992

State wildlife agents already have identified six packs of wolves in Washington's Cascades, and more are expected to migrate from Canada to the state's protected forests.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com:80/archive/?date=19920417&slug=1486887



Monday, July 14, 1997

Biologists say gray wolves, migrating from Canada, have begun to repopulate the Cascades in small numbers during the past decade. But in 1994, the Fish and Wildlife Service cut the roughly $200,000 being spent annually on recovery efforts for wolves and grizzly bears in the North Cascades, diverting the money to programs in Idaho. (Illigal wolf Introduction)

But he notes that wolves already are repopulating the North Cascades, with or without government help. (Why do we ony have Two wolf packs now?)

If the studies pan out and local opposition is quieted, Dicks has envisioned airlifting wolves from British Columbia and Alaska within the next few years.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970714&slug=2549520

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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2010, 09:30:59 AM »
I have heard through a very good source that several male wolves have already been released in the toutle area to deal with hoof rot.  I heard this months ago and now to see it in the papers I believe it.  If its not the tribes taking the elk, then the wolves will. 

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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2010, 09:37:31 AM »
by whom? wdfw? Thats a situation where Weyerhaeuser would have to be a part of the decision, least I'd assume that would be the case.
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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2010, 10:03:39 AM »
by whom? wdfw? Thats a situation where Weyerhaeuser would have to be a part of the decision, least I'd assume that would be the case.

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This Wolf thing comes down to a follow the dollar thing. Weyerhauser tried to introduce wolves back in the 60's when I worked as a logger in the woods. They dropped at least 25 in the Wahkiakum/Cowlitz areas.

 They were dropped to help eliminate elk and deer which were feeding on young trees the timber companies planted. At that time they also had a bear elimination program. My pastor from Quilcene was a part of that.

 Weyerhaeuser hired hundreds of environmentalists in the 1980's to do their bidding for the giant timber company. Re-Introduction of wolves was one of their agendas. Weyerhaeuser also used them to help run other timber companies out of business by finding endangered species on their properties. Weyerhaeuser has been a "dirty tricks" company since the early 1900's.

 My own personal introduction to the wolf program began when I worked for Crown Zellerbach. A pair of timber cutters we worked with found a cage attached to a parachute hanging from a 30 ft. evergreen tree.

 It had a dead wolf in it that had apparently died of starvation. It had the end of one foot missing and parts of that stuck in a crack of the cage. The cage was built so the sides would spring open when it hit the ground. It didn't do that and hung in the tree top instead.

 The cage and chute disappeared the day after we saw it.

 That fall I had another "run in" with wolves while deer hunting east of Cathlamet and north of the Columbia river in the Beaver Creek drainage. I left my car in late afternoon and walked down a new road that had been built into the second growth. I heard a low howl and walked toward it. When I rounded a corner there was a pack of about six wolves shredding a baby elk they had just killed. At the same time i heard noises and growls to both sides of me in the timber. I made a quick retreat to my car, running backwards.

I was afraid they'd jump me from behind. They two wolves nearest me kept pace with me and I'd get glimpses of them in the brush. I got to the car in a hurry. It was getting dark and I was shaking like a leaf.

By the time I got done fumbling with the car keys and getting the door locked I could hear the whole pack coming, barking like big dogs and howling. I fired two quick shots to give me time to get in the car and all of a sudden everything turned deadly silent. They just quit making noise. I beat it out of there! I told my Dad about the run in and the county sheriff. The sheriff said the wolves had started killing beef cattle in Cowlitz county. Not long after that, the state hired professional exterminators to poison and get rid of the wolves. They got a lot of them but not all of them. My Dad saw one up the Elochomin River two years later.

 My cousin and Uncle were with him at the time.

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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2010, 10:38:40 AM »
WB interesting post...  I think if you follow the $$$ You usually come up with the correct information... If i were a timber company and was thinking outside the box, I might come up with that idea my self.... Low input cost, high benefit yield, illegal yes, but the benefits derived vs the cost of defending the action IF caught pretty high... Kinda Conspiracy theory with out more evidence but peaks my intrest.
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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2010, 10:48:51 AM »
What took place back then is no lie, it happened. Have many family friends that worked for Weyerhaueser in the St. Helens Tree farm for many years, some still do. I've heard stories similar to this for a long time, I trust these people very much and don't doubt such actions took place back then. If you want evidence......sorry no bloody OJ gloves here  :chuckle: 

As to whether Weyerhaueser would be stupid enough to participate in such a thing again, I'd be very surprised considering the volume of lawsuits flying around the wolf reintroduction.
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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2010, 11:14:59 AM »
Wow,
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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2010, 02:54:09 PM »
I know for a fact that there were wolves up in the Margret. At one time I used to spend a TON of time up there hiking and hunting. I was up above fawn lake in the late 90's and cut 2 wolf tracks that crossed the road, the pair looked to be running at a good clip. They were obviousely wolf tracks, trust me I know the differance since a cyote was about 1/3 the size  ;) And no, they were not dogs either. I was the only person up there at the time, no body else could make it to where I was at. I also seen a wolf bedded on top of an old-growth stump 500 plus yards away. The stump was 6 foot accrossed and the damn thing covered it . Different strain of wolf than what they are going to introduce. Oh well, the new canadian strain will eat well for awhile, too bad that the declining deer population will more than likely be extinct in a year or two.

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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2010, 02:59:36 PM »
I have a lot of kin in Idaho, and they have used the S.S.S. for decades on more than just wolves.  WHen you raise cattle for a living, you dont have time for a warden or sherriff to show up days later make a report and provide you  info on how to deal with it a month later. 
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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2010, 03:18:47 PM »
Funny you don't hear about them eating up on the horses though... Especially since they are in the Headquarters area....

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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2010, 03:20:06 PM »
horses fight back, maybe thats why??
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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2010, 03:49:19 PM »
Funny you don't hear about them eating up on the horses though... Especially since they are in the Headquarters area....
They might not be keen on trying to bite into something that fights back with brass knuckles  :chuckle:
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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2010, 09:13:58 AM »
I know for a fact that there were wolves up in the Margret. At one time I used to spend a TON of time up there hiking and hunting. I was up above fawn lake in the late 90's and cut 2 wolf tracks that crossed the road, the pair looked to be running at a good clip. They were obviousely wolf tracks, trust me I know the differance since a cyote was about 1/3 the size  ;) And no, they were not dogs either. I was the only person up there at the time, no body else could make it to where I was at. I also seen a wolf bedded on top of an old-growth stump 500 plus yards away. The stump was 6 foot accrossed and the damn thing covered it . Different strain of wolf than what they are going to introduce. Oh well, the new canadian strain will eat well for awhile, too bad that the declining deer population will more than likely be extinct in a year or two.
Funny you mention this area.I was scouting for elk during deer season with my cousin last year around this area when we came in contact with some other guys.They said we can show you some.It was a blue bird day with nothing moving or up,and my eyes/binos had seen very little.One guy spotted what he thought was a deer,at a distance of 1000yds.plus.Of course everyone grabbed there binos/spotting scopes and went to look.After looking at supposed deer,by a group of 5 or 6,we all decided it was a coyote.One guy decided to take a poke at it,upon shooting,all armed with good optics of some sort,watched either a 150#coyote or a wolf of some sort run off.I couldn't believe it as I took my leupold gold rings down from my eyes and could still see the "Dog",running through a clear cut.I have killed a lot of yotes,close and far,but this wasn't a yote!!!ALL PEOPLE THERE SWORE THIS WAS A WOLF!!I WISHED THE GUY WOUD HAVE GOTTEN IT TO PROVE THE WOLF DEBATE!!

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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2010, 09:39:19 AM »
When it comes to Mount St. Helens there are probably way more people that want the Wolves than don't - hunters are way out-numbered by volcano visitors.  I predict ten years from now your odds of drawing a Margaret Elk tag will be less than for drawing a Margaret Wolf tag - or maybe not as it won't be worth even putting in for !


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Re: Wolves coming to Mt. St. Helens (article added)
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2010, 09:53:50 AM »
The management of the Margaret and Toutle units has always been spun as being for the purpose of being for high quality trophy hunts.......under that massive area of very limited quota the elk population has done substantially well, they found out more than two decades ago that it was a much safer place to be come November.  :chuckle: A lot of public and non-profit funds have been spent on habitat for that herds winter range.....and now its being spun as a nuisance and over inflated population?  :dunno:
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