QUESTION: can you change your elk tag from east to west, visa versa after buy it

[krapmit]

So heres my deal.  I drew a bull tag this year and am hunting east side archery elk.  I may be working 7 days a week with no chance for time off through september.  Is there any way to give my tag back and get my points back?  I saw someone post on hunt-wa about doing that last year. 

and is there way to just get a west side elk tag insead of my eastside tag so I can just hunt around my house after work each day?

Thanks

[D-Rock425]

Im going to say no.  If you didnt apply for special apps you may have.

[Russ McDonald]

I would call Olympia but I would suspect after drawing the tag they will probably say no. 

[Kola16]

No. 95% sure. Stupid rule

[RockChuck]

Mabey they will let you give your bull permit to me!! I will even give you my points!

[washelkhunter]

You're stuck. once you've applied for a special app permit you cannot trade out or over. And its not a stupid rule.

[Alan K]

You're stuck. once you've applied for a special app permit you cannot trade out or over. And its not a stupid rule.

 

[huntnphool]

You're stuck. once you've applied for a special app permit you cannot trade out or over. And its not a stupid rule.

[bobcat]

I think there's a chance you could turn the permit back in and have your points restored, since you won't be able to use it. But you'll still be stuck with the eastern tag. How many points did you use to draw the permit? I do think you can get your points back, you just need to have the right story and talk to the right person. It's not something they routinely do. But there is an exception to the rule that you might be able to use.

[carpsniperg2]

  I know some place I saw where you could turn a permit back in before hand and get your points back. You can't change your tag unless you did not put in for special apps. I have heard they will in some rare cases like military and such but not seen it first hand.

[Russ McDonald]

I know some place I saw where you could turn a permit back in before hand and get your points back. You can't change your tag unless you did not put in for special apps. I have heard they will in some rare cases like military and such but not seen it first hand.

:yeah:you beat me to it. 

[Bob33]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291

     H. If an applicant makes a mistake, applies for the wrong hunt, and is successfully drawn, the special hunting season permit can be returned to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters before the opening day of the special hunting season. The applicant's points will be restored to the level prior to the permit drawing.

[huntnphool]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291

     H. If an applicant makes a mistake, applies for the wrong hunt, and is successfully drawn, the special hunting season permit can be returned to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters before the opening day of the special hunting season. The applicant's points will be restored to the level prior to the permit drawing.

But I still dont think he can change from east to west.

[bobcat]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291

     H. If an applicant makes a mistake, applies for the wrong hunt, and is successfully drawn, the special hunting season permit can be returned to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters before the opening day of the special hunting season. The applicant's points will be restored to the level prior to the permit drawing.

But I still dont think he can change from east to west.

No, of course not. That wouldn't be fair. If one person could do that, lots of other people would want to also. But just the special permit, so he can have his points restored. Since he "mistakenly" applied for it. He could not have intentionally applied for that permit, right? Since his work schedule won't allow him to hunt that season. Yep, it was a mistake.

[RockChuck]

So if he returns the permit and gets his points back do they pick someones name out that applied for the same permit and give it to them?

[Recurve-Elk]

So if he returns the permit and gets his points back do they pick someones name out that applied for the same permit and give it to them?

Hopefully. 

[Bob33]

So if he returns the permit and gets his points back do they pick someones name out that applied for the same permit and give it to them?

Hopefully.

No.  There is only one drawing.  The permit goes to waste.

[dvolmer]

So for all of the people who draw more than one permit for a species can just say that they made a mistake and return the one that they least want to keep?  I see a lot of people on this forum that draw there quality and buck or bull permit the same year and have to waste there points in one catagory.  Last year my buddies daughter drew her quaility bull permith in Blue Creek and her bull permit in Observatory.  She got re-zero'd in both catagories and screwed out of her 7 points.  She didnt get anything and lost all of her points in both catagories.  As the rule reads she could have said she made a mistake in her bull tag selection and returned the tag and had her points reinstated for her bull catagory and just hunted her quality due to you only being allowed one elk per year no matter how many special permits you draw.  I see a lot of people on this web page that complain when they draw mulitiple permits for one species and lose their points.  As the rule reads you can turn in what you dont want and have your points restored by saying you just made a mistake.

[Blacktail Sniper]

So for all of the people who draw more than one permit for a species can just say that they made a mistake and return the one that they least want to keep?  I see a lot of people on this forum that draw there quality and buck or bull permit the same year and have to waste there points in one catagory.  Last year my buddies daughter drew her quaility bull permith in Blue Creek and her bull permit in Observatory.  She got re-zero'd in both catagories and screwed out of her 7 points.  She didnt get anything and lost all of her points in both catagories.  As the rule reads she could have said she made a mistake in her bull tag selection and returned the tag and had her points reinstated for her bull catagory and just hunted her quality due to you only being allowed one elk per year no matter how many special permits you draw.  I see a lot of people on this web page that complain when they draw mulitiple permits for one species and lose their points.  As the rule reads you can turn in what you dont want and have your points restored by saying you just made a mistake.

If that starts happening on a regular basis, I would worry that WDFW will change that rule and then either no one can return their tag/permit or they change it and have to return all special tags/permits and hunt with an OTC/general season tag...just seems how things work!

[JLS]

So for all of the people who draw more than one permit for a species can just say that they made a mistake and return the one that they least want to keep?  I see a lot of people on this forum that draw there quality and buck or bull permit the same year and have to waste there points in one catagory.  Last year my buddies daughter drew her quaility bull permith in Blue Creek and her bull permit in Observatory.  She got re-zero'd in both catagories and screwed out of her 7 points.  She didnt get anything and lost all of her points in both catagories.  As the rule reads she could have said she made a mistake in her bull tag selection and returned the tag and had her points reinstated for her bull catagory and just hunted her quality due to you only being allowed one elk per year no matter how many special permits you draw.  I see a lot of people on this web page that complain when they draw mulitiple permits for one species and lose their points.  As the rule reads you can turn in what you dont want and have your points restored by saying you just made a mistake.

How did she get screwed out of her seven points?  She got two permits didn't she?  Luck of the draw.  She had her choice then to hunt in either or both units.

[kirkl]

She didnt have to apply for both. If your worried about drawing both and losing points then only put in for either quality or regular bull. Problem solved.

[RockChuck]

I kind of figured the permit would go to waste which sucks because someone else could have used it.

[Nilehunter]

You're stuck. once you've applied for a special app permit you cannot trade out or over. And its not a stupid rule.

[dvolmer]

Maybe i am wrong but I would bet the majority of the hunters here that put in for special permits put in for there quality bull tag, bull tag, and antlerless tag just hoping that the stars line up and they get one sometime in the next 20 years of applying.  If not just so they keep aquiring points in each catagory.  My buddies daughter drew both the quality and bull permits by some stroke of wild luck.  Quality in Blue Creek in the Blues and bull in Observatory above Ellensburg.  The seasons are the same time.  I see quite a few people on this site who have drawn the same kind of deal.  You only get one elk a year so one goes to waste.  If for no other reason her Observatory tag that she never even hunted should be able to be given back so the thousands of hunters that put in for it and didnt get it could have another chance at the tag.  When it comes to elk you go so many years between drawing from any of the three catagories that it just seemed to me as a huge waste.  She lost the seven points in her quality elk as she should have because she hunted.  but just doesn't seem right that the observatory tag should go to waste with her loosing her points in her bull catagory when she never even hunted the area at all.  Other states have alternant lists for turned in tags through an alternant drawing.   Somebody should have hunted with that tag last year.

[kirkl]

Maybe i am wrong but I would bet the majority of the hunters here that put in for special permits put in for there quality bull tag, bull tag, and antlerless tag just hoping that the stars line up and they get one sometime in the next 20 years of applying.  If not just so they keep aquiring points in each catagory.  My buddies daughter drew both the quality and bull permits by some stroke of wild luck.  Quality in Blue Creek in the Blues and bull in Observatory above Ellensburg.  The seasons are the same time.  I see quite a few people on this site who have drawn the same kind of deal.  You only get one elk a year so one goes to waste.  If for no other reason her Observatory tag that she never even hunted should be able to be given back so the thousands of hunters that put in for it and didnt get it could have another chance at the tag.  When it comes to elk you go so many years between drawing from any of the three catagories that it just seemed to me as a huge waste.  She lost the seven points in her quality elk as she should have because she hunted.  but just doesn't seem right that the observatory tag should go to waste with her loosing her points in her bull catagory when she never even hunted the area at all.  Other states have alternant lists for turned in tags through an alternant drawing.   Somebody should have hunted with that tag last year.

  Exactly. They should have about 20 alternates for every permit drawing then if someone does draw two tags and wants to turn one back in and get their points back and the next alternate gets it and burns his points.  Montana
has alternates. Im sure it wouldnt be that hard to do.

[RockChuck]

Yeah just like the 2nd deer tags people are not going to buy I would love to buy a second tag but did not get drawn

[bobcat]

I think I prefer it the way it is. I don't see the need to make our drawing even more complicated. If they were to allow people to turn permits they drew back in and have points restored, a whole lot more people would be applying in multiple categories. The way it is now at least people are "penalized" by drawing more than one permit for one species- you lose points in both categories. This should discourage a lot of people from applying for hunts in all categories, especially those people with a high number of points. So it helps odds of drawing. Take that "penalty" away and odds of drawing would get a lot worse. Who wants WORSE odds? Not me.

[trophyhunt]

I think I prefer it the way it is. I don't see the need to make our drawing even more complicated. If they were to allow people to turn permits they drew back in and have points restored, a whole lot more people would be applying in multiple categories. The way it is now at least people are "penalized" by drawing more than one permit for one species- you lose points in both categories. This should discourage a lot of people from applying for hunts in all categories, especially those people with a high number of points. So it helps odds of drawing. Take that "penalty" away and odds of drawing would get a lot worse. Who wants WORSE odds? Not me.

It doesn't happen very often but, I agree with you on your point. With 17 points, there is NO way I'm putting in for anything but the quality tags, everything else is ghost pointed. If I had 1 to 6 points I would put in for everything and risk it, but saying that, I think it should stay the way it is. I do agree though that it is a damn shame that some of the tags will go to waste, that part of it sucks.

[huntnphool]

I do agree though that it is a damn shame that some of the tags will go to waste, that part of it sucks.

I agree with not being able to return them but I don't agree with it being a damn shame. I am glad people are burning them, less animals killed and less people to compete with for that permit down the road with them starting back over at 0.

[Bob33]

The way I see it, having two permits is far better than having none.

[trophyhunt]

I do agree though that it is a damn shame that some of the tags will go to waste, that part of it sucks.

I agree with not being able to return them but I don't agree with it being a damn shame. I am glad people are burning them, less animals killed and less people to compete with for that permit down the road with them starting back over at 0.

I agree, that makes sense.

[huntnphool]

I do agree though that it is a damn shame that some of the tags will go to waste, that part of it sucks.

I agree with not being able to return them but I don't agree with it being a damn shame. I am glad people are burning them, less animals killed and less people to compete with for that permit down the road with them starting back over at 0.

I agree, that makes sense.

Of course thats based on my own pure selfishness.