Jason, I just ordered 2 boxes of the 495 grain 'no excuses' and got them in the mail today. You'll need the 460 grain to be legal in Oregon, the 495's are too long. These are the old White bullet. I make a plastic patch out of a sandwich bag for the first load, to hold the bullet on the charge. Your fine after the first shot, the fouled barrel creates enough friction to hold the bullet to the charge. If you don't want to use a piece of plastic, you can fire a 30 grain squib load to foul the barrel. I don't like hunting with a dirty barrel hence the plastic patch, I've seen no difference in my grouping with the plastic patch ether.