Ive taken 5 bears out of the cowpissin side,one made sci.steep cool drainages and they dont have to be a large drainage,I use a fawn in distress call.I also hunt a very thick area,most shots are 10-40 feet.I dont use a scope,I drop them with a 308 150 grain corelok.ya need to get out on the 3 lines off of camp seven,hunt with the thermals in mind.good luck