Looking for a pup. {Growing up now}

[ghosthunter]

Well I have given up on finding one in washington right now. Sent several emails to Idaho breeders and Montana.

Got a promising call today, waiting for more details. 

It seems like every litter is gobbled up before they hit the ground. Just cannot believe the demand.

Talked to a old training buddy today. She been into labs for years. She knew my last dog. She said look outside of washington.

[87Ford]

Talked to a old training buddy today. She been into labs for years. She knew my last dog. She said look outside of washington.

The pup I have a deposit on is coming out of Manitoba, Canada.  I agree that you may need to broaden your search.  I think you'll find what you're looking for.  For me the search was part of the fun.  Good luck. 

[ghosthunter]

One thing about looking outside of Washington is the prices are several hundred dollars different in a lot of cases.

[Stilly bay]

When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.

this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.

[wraithen]

Harlequin Great Danes are one of the exceptions to this. They have a much higher chance of genetic disorders than the other colors of danes.

[Stilly bay]

 

Harlequin Great Danes are one of the exceptions to this. They have a much higher chance of genetic disorders than the other colors of danes.

I was talking more about hunting performance than anything else.
 
seems like yellows get a lot of skin and allergy problems. this might be because they have a higher demand in the pet market and some unscrupulous breeders are focusing more on getting the right kind of color over everything else including health.

[ghosthunter]

Anyone know these guys ,looking at a litter sired by their dog Stash.

http://www.smakwaterandsprezzatura.com/thanks.html?PHPSESSID=rjlbgngfc8llsmhdrpmtku65g4&PHPSESSID=rjlbgngfc8llsmhdrpmtku65g4

[singleshot12]

When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.

this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.

"Black is beautiful" and "Once you go black you'll never go back" For years I bought into the misconception that Black Labs were superior(hunting wise) to yellows or chocs., but after owning a choc. female and seeing a friends yellow male preform I no longer believe it. Black maybe a dominant color but that is it, it's just a color and has nothing to do with smarts or endurance etc.

[ghosthunter]

When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.

this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.

"Black is beautiful" and "Once you go black you'll never go back" For years I bought into the misconception that Black Labs were superior(hunting wise) to yellows or chocs., but after owning a choc. female and seeing a friends yellow male preform I no longer believe it. Black maybe a dominant color but that is it, it's just a color and has nothing to do with smarts or endurance etc.

Gene Pool, Not Hunting ability. I had a yellow and she was as good or better than anyone I ever hunted with or trained with.
But pure to the Breed, black from a line of blacks is as close as you can get. 

[Stilly bay]

When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.

this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.

"Black is beautiful" and "Once you go black you'll never go back" For years I bought into the misconception that Black Labs were superior(hunting wise) to yellows or chocs., but after owning a choc. female and seeing a friends yellow male preform I no longer believe it. Black maybe a dominant color but that is it, it's just a color and has nothing to do with smarts or endurance etc.

Gene Pool, Not Hunting ability. I had a yellow and she was as good or better than anyone I ever hunted with or trained with.
But pure to the Breed, black from a line of blacks is as close as you can get. 

so you are saying a black pup from two yellow parents has inferior genes? but a yellow pup from two black parents are superior? maybe I am not picking up what you are putting down? please explain.

[ghosthunter]

I am saying Pure Blacks bred only to pure Blacks are as close as you can get to the original Lab breed or the first labs.

http://www.lockeonlabradors.com/blackparents.htm

[ghosthunter]

Phenotype and Genotype...or what are Labs made of?
The American Kennel Club classifies a Labrador Retriever into three color categories; what is known in genetic analysis as phenotypes. Phenotype can therefore be defined as the actual color appearance. However, when one breeds two black Labs, one may get only black puppies, but upon breeding another two black individuals one may get yellow and chocolate puppies as well as black. This indicates that though the dogs from two such crosses may appear to be the same color, or phenotype, they don't have the same genetic makeup, or genotype. It is the genotypes of the sire and dam which are responsible for yielding color variations in a litter.

Dominant and Recessive...or why do black Labs prevail?
It is not by accident that there are more black Labradors than any other color or that many breeders prefer black over the other colors. Since the black coloration is prevalent, "type" has been well substantiated in black Labs for many years, with yellows following and recently in chocolates. But the question remains: why is black prevalent? There are two genes responsible for black or chocolate coloration in the Lab. "B" which is the symbol for the black gene and "b" which symbolizes the chocolate gene. Knowing that a puppy gets 1/2 of its genes from one parent and 1/2 from the other parent then if one crosses a black Lab that has no chocolate gene to a chocolate Lab an individual might expect to get black and chocolate puppies; instead, the individual may be disappointed to find that the litter is all black. Where did the chocolate disappear to? If this individual is not discouraged he may later breed one of these black puppies to a chocolate lab and this time he will be satisfied because 1/2 of the litter will be black and 1/2 will be chocolate. The chocolate had been hiding. This indicates that although we cannot see the chocolate, it is still there in the genetic make-up (genotype), masked by the black gene. For this reason, geneticists call the black gene dominant over the chocolate gene which is called recessive.

To discuss yellow coloration, a third gene must be introduced. Yellow is produced by the presence of a recessive epistemic gene which has the effect of blotting out the expression of the black or chocolate genes. If "E" = the dominant form of for the epistemic gene, and "e" = the recessive form, then there are three possibilities:

EE = no yellow gene Ee = yellow carrier but appears either black or chocolate ee = yellow Lab

From the web site above.

[ghosthunter]

http://www.lorkenfarms.com/labrador%20Retriever%20history.htm#LABRADOR ORIGINS AND TIMELINE

[ghosthunter]

Well talked to a guy in Montana tonight he has one female left in a litter of pointing labs. It is the runt. Says it is thinner than the others. Sending me a photo in the am. But I am thinking not. Will wait and see though. Also going back and forth with another guy in Montana who has one female. Trying to get photos of that dog.

The search goes on.

[ghosthunter]

Well got the photos of the runt today. And she is small. I talked to the owner of the female more and turns out the sire had no Health certs. So the search is still on.
I can tell you this is a lot harder than it was 13 years ago. I have several breeders tell me I am nuts to be looking for a English dog that has hutning in pedigree.
And I can see why folks end up with back yard breeders ,because a lot of breeders are not customer friendly. I think that many breeders are the cause of backyard breeders.

But you know if I find the pup I want, the color I want , the health certs and other things I listed and it is AKC limited Reg. I am not going to care to much. Because I am tired of being attacked as a lower life form by some of the breeders I have talked too.