Author Topic: Savage vs. (Read 17264 times)

sticky · « **on:** July 17, 2012, 08:50:47 AM »

I've been doing a lot of research on bolt action rifles in the archives and online. What I have determined is most hunters like what they own or would like to own. What I need is an assessment of Savage 10/100 compared to Browning A/X bolt and Remington 700, as those are the most commonly endorsed rifles under a grand. More interested in performance than looks, but fit and finish is a factor too.

If you've owned or shot two out of three, I'd like any input you feel is pertinent. Thanks.

MichaelJ · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2012, 09:00:41 AM »

The newer Rem 700's have a reputation of taking more work to true them up then they used to but can still produce shooters.
The Savages are a great out of the box gun and you will be hard pressed to find a more accurate gun out of the box.
No experience with the Brownings, but I know I don't see anybody using them in any of the competitions we shoot...

Mike

LiveandLearn · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2012, 10:09:30 AM »

You are on the right track. Savage and Remington 700. They have slightly different features and weight/balance. I would hold each one and get the one that is most comfortable/best price. I don't think you will be disappointed with either.

AWS · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2012, 10:23:11 AM »

I'm not a big Browning fan so I have little experience with them.

Rem 700 a more pleasing look to them, lines flow from muzzle to butt. No Barrel Nut, no large bolt releasse on the side, a better feeling and looking stock design.

Savage 10/110 plus, the Barrel Nut making barrel changes a breeze, large bolt release making it easier to pull the bolt for cleaning, interchangable bolt head and Accutrigger. Minus, clubbier stock , lots of mold lines on the stock, softer stock material(synthetic) I have to hog out the barrel chanel to keep it from touching the barrel when shooting off a front rest .

I like to work on my guns and the Savage is easier to do.

I shot in a match this week end and shoot two Savages and a Rem all of them outperformed the operator.

MadHatter · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2012, 10:29:12 AM »

I wouldn't dismiss the new Winchester rifles either. They have gone back to the pre-64 actions and they are being produced by FN now. The ultimate shadow's are really nice rifles with stocks made by hogue. They are under a grand and IMO a great rifle, and probably a bit better then a new 700 in fit/finish and being a good shooter right out the box. FN is doing a good job on the quality as well.

The other one to take a look at would be Tikka. If you want something light that shoots great I would look into a T3... I have never had anyone that owns one say anything bad about them.

Just my

...

If it is only between those three... I am, and always have been partial to the 700... But the Savage's are good shooting rifles as well. If you want a good rifle that you can shoot now and get good groups with, and then modify very easily later either one of those two would be a good choice. I have never heard much good about the Browning rifles... So I really can't comment either way on them.

sticky · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2012, 02:47:53 PM »

I too have heard many + on Tikka T3's. I have lots of respect for FN as well. I was initially going to buy American, but FN is making 70's here and my concern is for the workers rather than who gets the profits. I'm surprised at the lack of support for the Browning guns. I'm sure their advertising agents put plenty of $ behind the product.

CAMPMEAT · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:00:34 PM »

I think a gun is as good as the person behind them. Sure, you pay big bucks for a rifle and make it a .25 MOA shooter only to shoot it, MAYBE, one time at an animal.at 100-200 yards. You put it away till next year until hunting season. I have a Savage Model 10 LE 308 and it's a 900 + yards shooter at steel. I haven't shot it since last year. I'm currently looking at the Savage model 16/116 Bear Hunter in 300 mag. I'll sight it in if I buy it and probably won't get to shoot a bear with it. Go with what you like and feels good to you, because you're gonna get all kinds of stories for any and all guns out there.

Bob33 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:11:38 PM »

If you are not an exceptional, experienced shooter - most modern guns will outshoot the shooter with the right ammunition.

I have two Brownings and have no complaints. Of all my rifles, I just took a Browning 300 WSM to Africa and was very pleased with its performance.

Savage, Remington, Winchester, Sako / Tikka all make good rifles, and all make an occasional lemon. Unless you plan to shoot a lot, and shoot a longer distances I would make my decision based on other factors: cost, weight, magazine type, how well it feels on your shoulder, and so forth.

MadHatter · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:54:17 PM »

Quote from: Bob33 on July 18, 2012, 10:11:38 PM

If you are not an exceptional, experienced shooter - most modern guns will outshoot the shooter with the right ammunition.

I have two Brownings and have no complaints. Of all my rifles, I just took a Browning 300 WSM to Africa and was very pleased with its performance.

Savage, Remington, Winchester, Sako / Tikka all make good rifles, and all make an occasional lemon. Unless you plan to shoot a lot, and shoot a longer distances I would make my decision based on other factors: cost, weight, magazine type, how well it feels on your shoulder, and so forth.

Great advise, same thing I tell people all the time... Although there is one more thing that I also take into consideration which is the availability of aftermarket parts. Having a Rem 700 I can go online, buy a new stock and install it to increase my accuracy without spending a fortune. Same is true for just about anything gun related though. Buy a Glock, there are 10000 holsters and just as many replacement parts. You buy a Stoeger and find your options are a lot more limited. Its nice to have the options out there to be able to upgrade things as you become a better shooter or want to get into a different discipline without having to buy another gun. Having a very competitive aftermarket helps to keep the prices lower, and gives you a ton of options for the future.

MichaelJ · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2012, 09:25:43 AM »

Madhatter is dead on...

What are your goals for the gun? Are you the type of person that shoots their rifle once or three times over the summer and then hunts with it all fall?
Or are you the type that goes to the range a lot and could see yourself wanting to semi-customize the rifle down the road?

For 99% of the hunters out there, even the guys shooting long range, a 1 MOA gun is capable of most shots they might encounter (or should attempt). Most hunters can't hold <MOA on their point of aim at 400+ yards.
With that said however, I will say that long range shooting is all about reducing the margin of error. This involves much more than buying CDS dials from Leupold and zeroing your rifle at 100 yds and going out there and taking long-range shots on game. I would rather be shooting a 1MOA rifle with the appropriate weather station, MOA or MIL turrets, a quality ballistic calculator or pre-made dope cards for environmental condtions, than a fully custom <.25MOA rifle with a huskemaw scope for all hunting situations and conditions...

Mike

sticky · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2012, 10:28:42 AM »

Thanks for the input fellas. I think I have changed my mind every day over this last week. But I do have a better idea of what I really need in a rifle. I shoot a lot, but not enough with my hunting rifle. I'm going to buy next week sometime, I'll post what I decided to get. I appreciate all the great advice.

wraithen · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2012, 10:41:37 PM »

Don't forget to shop around. Online especially as long as you know someone on base. Good luck with the decision. I'm turning more into a savage fan lately, mostly because gunsmiths seem baffled by not needing to squeeze someone for a grand to get a rifle to shoot really well.

DoubleJ · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2012, 10:44:31 PM »

Just gotta say I love my Savage

Biggerhammer · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2012, 11:06:08 PM »

They sure are jacking the prices up on them, following in the Tikka marketing scheme.

wraithen · « **Reply #14 on:** July 20, 2012, 11:09:45 PM »

Too many people figured out they are great shooters. Mostly it's just local though. I love seeing cabelas trying to get more on a used and abused savage than I can buy a brand new one for any day of the week. Sometimes local places can and do jack prices because they know people will pay it. I'm more a pay less and wait a week kind of guy.

Tikka doesn't have the ease of replacement parts and market that savage and remington do though.

sticky · « **Reply #15 on:** July 20, 2012, 11:18:04 PM »

Right now wholesale sports and Bob's in longview both are lower than Bud's gun shop online. Fifty to sixty bucks lower on a Tikka T3 than Bud's and no ffl bs.

wraithen · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2012, 11:21:39 PM »

That's why I mentioned the military friend on base. 30 bucks flat rate ffl. I think when I'm gun shopping I'll have to venture to the east side. I still must see this bi-mart.

madmack76 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2012, 11:39:22 PM »

it amazes me back in the day savage was a junk rifle now days they are great rifles, it's amazing what can change in a few years every company goes back and forth. i think they are all great rifles now

Biggerhammer · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:15:05 AM »

Quote from: wraithen on July 20, 2012, 11:21:39 PM

That's why I mentioned the military friend on base. 30 bucks flat rate ffl. I think when I'm gun shopping I'll have to venture to the east side. I still must see this bi-mart.

Better hurry! Stainless Rem700's with the factory scope package in 06, 7 Mag and 300Win Mag are on sale right now for 449.00.

Here is the add that came out Thur the 19th, not a bad price on the Henery lever .22 if you into that.

http://zoominlocal.com/bimart/July19_insert/#?page=4

GEARHEAD · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:46:46 PM »

"A good product sells itself" no need for tons of commercials telling you its the best. there is a reason the vast vast majority of custom guns and match guns are rocking a m700 action.

Biggerhammer · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2012, 10:42:31 PM »

Quote from: GEARHEAD on July 21, 2012, 09:46:46 PM

"A good product sells itself" no need for tons of commercials telling you its the best. there is a reason the vast vast majority of custom guns and match guns are rocking a m700 action.

I can't even count the forums that slam the M700 as the base for a dangerous game rifle. I get a kick out of it due to the fact our police, military and no such agencies have been hunting chit way more dangerous than stinking Cape Buffalo for a long time with M700 actions.

wraithen · « **Reply #21 on:** July 22, 2012, 08:58:13 AM »

I've never heard anyone slam the m700. I've heard more people slam everything but the m700 more than anything.

Bob33 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 22, 2012, 09:22:23 AM »

The dangerous game concern about the 700 has to do with its push feed mechanism. It is a topic of endless debate.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed

CAMPMEAT · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2012, 06:27:19 PM »

My Savage Model 16 Weather Warrior 6.5 Creedmoor will be on the way soon. $699.99 from Gunbroker. Can't wait !!!

Biggerhammer · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2012, 06:57:39 PM »

Quote from: Bob33 on July 22, 2012, 09:22:23 AM

The dangerous game concern about the 700 has to do with its push feed mechanism. It is a topic of endless debate.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed

I'll shoot charging cape buffalo all day with my 700's and the Buffalo can debate how well it worked in the after life.

jaymark6655 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:18:24 PM »

Quote from: Bob33 on July 22, 2012, 09:22:23 AM

The dangerous game concern about the 700 has to do with its push feed mechanism. It is a topic of endless debate.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/05/bolt-actions-broken-down-difference-between-controlled-feed-and-push-feed

This doesn't make sense to me. If your freaking out because a lion is charging you and you short cycle your control feed action, you just jammed your rifle.

deerslyr · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:28:27 PM »

Quote from: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2012, 06:27:19 PM

My Savage Model 16 Weather Warrior 6.5 Creedmore will be on the way soon. $699.99 from Gunbroker. Can't wait !!!

Lets us know how it works out! Awesome little round that does damage.

CAMPMEAT · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:31:45 PM »

Quote from: deerslyr on July 23, 2012, 09:28:27 PM

Quote from: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2012, 06:27:19 PM
My Savage Model 16 Weather Warrior 6.5 Creedmore will be on the way soon. $699.99 from Gunbroker. Can't wait !!!

Lets us know how it works out! Awesome little round that does damage.

I will. I might try shooting long range steel with it too ??!!

KimberRich · « **Reply #28 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:13:49 PM »

I love the Kimber rifle's I have and they are still just under $1000. Super light, match grade trigger and barrel, M-70 style safety... Great guns. When you cycle the action of one it feels right... Everything is tight and crisp and there is no slop in anything.

sticky · « **Reply #29 on:** July 27, 2012, 08:48:59 AM »

Quote from: sticky on July 20, 2012, 10:28:42 AM

Thanks for the input fellas. I think I have changed my mind every day over this last week. But I do have a better idea of what I really need in a rifle. I shoot a lot, but not enough with my hunting rifle. I'm going to buy next week sometime, I'll post what I decided to get. I appreciate all the great advice.

Made the decision to buy yesterday. After reading countless articles and talking to several shooters I respect, I went with the Browning X-bolt in 30-06, topped with a Zeiss 3x9 Conquest scope. I had enough cash left in the budget to pick up a Pelican dbl rifle case. The deciding factors were the fit, finish, & trigger on the Browning; & the clarity of the Zeiss. The fact that the scope was a $100 discount didn't hurt either.

I picked up a couple boxes of Barnes VorTX to go with several other loads for the range once I get the rifle cleaned and lubed up. I'll let you guys know she shoots.

ksblazer · « **Reply #30 on:** July 29, 2012, 09:40:51 PM »

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