Obama's Gun Control Scheme Nearly Complete - Global Arms Treaty

[buckfvr]

We live in the most corrupt country in the world.......who do you, who can you believe......

[huntrights]

We live in the most corrupt country in the world.......who do you, who can you believe......

Our country is far better than most. 

If you have doubts about any information, you must dig in and do your own research to validate the facts.  Don't rely on OPINION websites to validate facts.

[LiveandLearn]

So the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties is what would allow a president to sign a treaty and have it enforced until the senate ratifies? The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties itself has never been ratified according to the US State Dept. (see below)

http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm

How the hell can a law (treaty) that isn't a law force us to obey another law (treaty) that isn't a law that will contradict our own constitution which is a law?

[huntrights]

Interesting.  The U.S. signed the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties in 1970, but never ratified it. 


U.S. Department of State website.
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm

"Is the United States a party to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties?

No. The United States signed the treaty on April 24, 1970. The U.S. Senate has not given its advice and consent to the treaty. The United States considers many of the provisions of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to constitute customary international law on the law of treaties."

We do need to keep the record straight.

[PolarBear]

Guns?  What guns?  I am a bow hunter, I have no need for guns.   

[buckfvr]

We live in the most corrupt country in the world.......who do you, who can you believe......

Our country is far better than most. 

If you have doubts about any information, you must dig in and do your own research to validate the facts.  Don't rely on OPINION websites to validate facts.

I agree.....here at home, for now.  But on the world stage, we are in the thick of it with the worst there is. 
Remember the promise of transparency ??  Came from the president  and his administration, the most secretive administration in history......ofcourse that source would have to be disected as well.

[copasj]

We live in the most corrupt country in the world.......who do you, who can you believe......

I've been to a few other countries, and ours is definitely less corrupt than Thailand, Afghanistan, Iraq and the Philippines.  That's not saying we are spotless, but "most corrupt" is blatantly false.

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[buckfvr]

SUre, there are the blatantly corrupt countries you mentioned,  but for a country that says heres where we are,  but are actually WAY OUT THERE.........I think we are as bad as it gets.  Think world power, financial power, all the corruption that has come to light in the last few years.....and its only tapping the surface.

[huntrights]

SUre, there are the blatantly corrupt countries you mentioned,  but for a country that says heres where we are,  but are actually WAY OUT THERE.........I think we are as bad as it gets.  Think world power, financial power, all the corruption that has come to light in the last few years.....and its only tapping the surface.

 
Corruption can, and does occur around the world, in all countries.  Human beings are unfortuanately corruptable.  If you have traveled to other places around the world you would most likely realize that the U.S. is about as good as it gets.  Our freedom is very unique and something we need to protect.  Yes, there is corruption in our country and we continually need to identify it and weed it out.  There is no utopia anywhere, we just have to continue to work toward continuous improvement.  You can help to make things better by getting involved.
 

[PolarBear]

Hopefully this will be one of the final nails in Obumble's coffin!  If this does go through lat's pray that Romney turns around and takes us out of the UN entirely!  That Bitch Hillary is partly to blame for this as well.  She has been pushing for us to be more envolved in the UN, which includes arms treaties.

[Bigshooter]

Hopefully this will be one of the final nails in Obumble's coffin!  If this does go through lat's pray that Romney turns around and takes us out of the UN entirely!  That Bitch Hillary is partly to blame for this as well.  She has been pushing for us to be more envolved in the UN, which includes arms treaties.

 

[bearpaw]

Interesting.  The U.S. signed the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties in 1970, but never ratified it. 

What a convoluted mess.

U.S. Department of State website.
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm

"Is the United States a party to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties?

No. The United States signed the treaty on April 24, 1970. The U.S. Senate has not given its advice and consent to the treaty. The United States considers many of the provisions of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to constitute customary international law on the law of treaties."

We do need to keep the record straight.

I hope you are correct and I hope if it comes to this that the "G" figures this way.

[Mudman]

If the President signs a treaty it is in effect until congress votes to ratify or deny said treaty.  Therefore the Vienna treaty would be law if congress never voted on it....  The more power the Federal gov. has the more corruption will follow.

[bearpaw]

Workman's recent post....
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-out-of-the-closet-on-gun-control-o-reilly-unrepentant?cid=db_articles

Mitt Romney, who was in Bellevue earlier this year at the Meydenbauer Center, took a far different approach in remarks quoted by the Washington Post.
 
“I don’t happen to believe that America needs new gun laws,” Romney said in an interview with NBC. “A lot of what this young man did was clearly against the law, but the fact that it was against the law did not prevent it from happening.”

[huntrights]

Here's an alert email that was sent to SCI members:

http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/advocacy/contactcongressman

Dear SCI members,

Over the last four weeks the United Nations has been engaged in final negotiations on the terms of an Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). This treaty has the purported goal of reducing the illicit trade in arms. However the ATT is massive in scope, possibly covering every conventional weapon, from battleships and missiles to your common deer hunting rifle and ammunition.

The ATT has been in the works for more than a decade, and SCI has continually and consistently monitored its progress to protect hunters from the threats that it could pose. SCI has continually lobbied to exclude hunting firearms and ammunition entirely from the scope of the treaty.

Negotiations have been moving slowly during the months of June and July, however on July 24, 2012 a draft version of the treaty was released and it contains numerous provisions that are extremely dangerous to hunters. Some of the worst provisions of the draft are listed below.

•   The current draft ignores the position of millions of sport shooters worldwide and includes all sporting arms, hunting rifles, and ammunition, instead of excluding this legal trade from the scope of the ATT. Sadly, the current United States administration has stated their support for the inclusion of sporting arms in the scope of the treaty.
 
•   The current draft would require all signatory nations to establish a “national control system” to control the export of firearms and ammunition. This national control system could easily be interpreted as a national gun registration system by an anti-hunting administration.
 
•   The draft fails to exclude the temporary import or export of firearms from its scope. This could add burdensome reporting requirements for even the temporary export of a firearm for a hunting trip.
 
•   Article 11 of the draft treaty requires states to keep ten years of records for all arms exported. A country must keep records of “quantity, value, model/type, authorized arms transfers, arms actually transferred, details of exporting State(s), recipient State(s), and end users.” This requirement also applies to arms that merely transit or transship through a country. This huge bureaucratic undertaking could devastate traveling hunters as it is much more likely that air carriers will stop shipping firearms than comply with this unduly burdensome requirements.
 
•   Article 13 would establish a new U.N. bureaucracy that would oversee national implementation of the treaty. This Orwellian named “Implementation Support Unit” would facilitate and oversee the implementation of the treaty.
 
•   Finally, the draft treaty also contains an insidious clause in Article 23 that would essentially apply the treaty to countries whether or not they even sign the treaty. This clause requires that “States Parties shall apply Articles 3-5 to all transfers of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty to those not party to this Treaty.” This unacceptable position undermines state sovereignty and must be opposed.

The bitter irony of all this is that the United States already has the most comprehensive set of export controls in the world. Other nations could simply emulate these protocols and address any problem, real or perceived.

We need every SCI member and hunter to contact their senators and the President and urge them to oppose this dangerous treaty. Please click here to contact your legislators now.

http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/advocacy/contactcongressman