Sponsors should be screened. I see Banded as a sponsor on Waterfowl.

[300rum]

As a business owner myself, you have wayyyy more patience than me.  Maybe I could learns something?  From what has transpired, I would be asking for an apology!

I paid $100 bucks to put a banner on top of the site and get my head beat in!  Hahaha...Never paid for a "butt-whoopin" before!

Don't let it get you down.  Even a site like this has its share of Obama-voters!

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I didn't realize there were so many socialist amongst waterfowl hunters. I understand the jealousy or the disappointment that they are losing their places to hunt but I don't understand the whining. I actually think it's a good thing the landowners are getting paid market value for what their property provides. I never fail to realize that I am by far getting the better end of the deal when a landowner allows me to hunt on their property for no money and a little hard work.

[h20hunter]

Um......are there any sponsers of this site that offer guided hunts of any kind that do not lease land and therefore restricting your chances of knocking on a door and gaining permission?

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Guys,

Greatly appreciate the supportive posts and PM's.  Appreciate them, but they aren't necessary.  I'm a big boy and I realize that there are some people that are living in fear of losing their free places to hunt just like there are lots of people that live in fear of going to the mailbox once a month and a check not being in there.  I don't see things the same as either one of these groups.  There's nothing I can say or do as a representative of myself or Banded to change that.

What I can say is that through all this I've learned that I made the right choice by sponsoring this site and that the major reason that this thread started was "Sponsors Should be Screened"...Well the title of the thread should be changed to say "All Sponsors Should be Screened to Make Sure They Aren't Guides That Lease Land"...Much more accurate.

I have already met some great people on here...heck they all seem great just some have different viewpoints than I and that's what makes this country great!  I look forward to many great discussions here and we've got some exciting Hunt Washington Exclusives coming!  As far as this thread, I feel like I've answered all that has been asked and we're to the point of a lot of "yeah, what he said" posts.  So, now we're just beating the preverbal dead horse which happens quite often on the internet.  If you have any more questions or comments regarding this, feel free to pm me...unless of course it makes you feel better to "pound on me" in public, you're welcomed to do that and I will respond as I have to all the rest.

Thanks to everyone!

Christian

  Good post Christian. Welcome to the site.

[Dan-o]

CCurtis,

Yuo seem like a ridiculously stand up guy, answering all of these questions with great patience.

Welcome to the site.

(It does seem silly, perhps even hypocritical, for a guy to "tie-up" duck hunting property and then get all bent when somebody else does it.)

Dan,
I take it your not a duck hunter.  You get bent over by the guide services, you are forced to pay or you loose your spot.  Many guys didn't have the money, so they are getting booted out of spots they have hunted since kids.  The farmer would call you to get the ducks out of his field.  Now a sign greats you that warmly says NO TRESSPASSING.  Don't know if you have scene one of these.  Guess what, there is a ton of them in every little spot that all the locals have hunted in for a decade.  A lot of them literally went up in the past two years.  I know a dozen guys that have hung up there gear in the last year due to loss of spots.  Not hypocritical, just trying to hang onto a sport that I love, why a group tries to comercialize duck hunting in your back yard.  It's sh**y that you have to pay a fee to cross your fence to shoot a duck.   

Uh, yeah, I hunt ducks.....   on private property that I do not own.    And sure, I hope that I get to keep hunting it with my kids and then they get to keep hunting it.  I hunt 2 spots, both of which I have access to by helping and making friends the old fashioned way.   

But, if either or both farmers lease their land to supplement their income.....   well, it was their perfect right and it was the perfect right of the person who leased it (whether as a guide or as a guy who wants to be clean and pure and takes people out for free).

The point is:  You're jumping down a guy's throat for trying to make an honest living.   There's a little book titled "Who Moved my Cheese".   You should read it.  You can read it in an hour, and it might help you get over your feelings of entitlement.

And yes, I've experienced this exact pain.  For years, I hunted a large ranch in eastern Washington for deer.   It took effort to NOT go home with a decent 4-point muley buck.    We had the sweetest deal imaginable.....   and we only took people for free.  Three years ago, the farmer sold his hunting rights.   When he told me, I felt like crying, but I looked him in the eye and thanked him for the years of memories he'd let me build with my sons.   I'm still struggling to find a good deer hunting spot......   If anyone wants to take me for free, I'm interested....   :-)

If you believe in capitalism and free market, then you have to walk the talk.   

[h2ofowlr]

I don't understand H20's anger over this, we've been dealing with people leasing up all the prime hunting around the Basin my whole life (clubs and guides) and all we've been told over and over is "we need to learn to deal with it!" So I guess what i'm trying to say is Adapt, and learn to deal with it! Banded sounds like an incredibly patient and decent person to put up with the rhetoric IMHO. 

It's a duck thing I guess.  Most wouldn't understand on the forum where big game is the larger picture.  It's these companies that are flying on the back of Chad.  Won't support any of them in the waterfowl world.  Doen't mean I am a socialist.  And I can promise you I would never vote for Obama.  If Christian wasn’t tied to Chad or sporting part of the name, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.  I am all for small businesses, the little guy and our great advertisers.  It’s interesting how he chose Huntwa where there is only one waterfowl thread.  Just over 11k members  where maybe 1% use the waterfowl portion.  Maybe he is trying to break out of the mold.  I have not seen any of his advertisements on the various waterfowl forums where his core audience is.  Maybe it’s just been overlooked.   When you type in Banded, unless it is a picture of a bird, it seems to get locked fairly quickly in many cases.  It’s probably just me having a bad day.  If the non-waterfowl community digs it, then so be it.  Nothing against Christian as he has showed great class in the conversation sounds like a very marketable guy and I hope he sells his shares and buys a chunk of waterfowl ground to have fun on.
On a side note, if I spent a $100 to sponsor an ad for Defend the Wolves or Conservation Northwest and placed it on the front page of the big game section I would surely receive an ass chewing from most on the forum.  The wolves are taking away a resource.  I’m sure it was just going to happen anyway.  P.S. I don’t like wolves and I will buy a tag to shoot one.  I can though admire one on my wall.
I try to be for the waterfowler, I let you know how I feel.  Some won’t like it, most I know strongly support it.  I thank Dale for letting us get it off our chest, despite him probably not liking my stance.  I wish you as a person the best.  The name and it’s ties can be shed.  I know the game, I just hate the new player, ie Banded.

Dan, I have read who moved my cheese.  I purchased copies and provided them to my associates to read as well.  It is a good book.  Land is just one recent gripe.  If memory recalls the Chad issue started back in the calling competition days.  Another story for another thread.

[jackmaster]

being an outside eye here, i think the differance is, H2OFOWLER, ties up land and takes people huntn for free, and not sure but probably lets people hunt there for free, when banded ties up land do they take people huntn for free, will they let people hunt their leased land for free, these are just questions..... hey h2ofowler, i have some private land that has some good duck huntn on it, well i just found out that it was turned into a no shootn zone, well a cop came to my house and made me aware of it but also said that it would be fairly easy to go to a county council meeting and get it to where a guy can atleast shoot shotguns, he even said he would accompany to these county council meetings, if i set somethn up and can get it back to a shotgun zone, i would be willing to let you use my land for your duck huntn service for free.

Just to play devil's advocate...

If you are trying not to "tie it up" by allowing H20 only to hunt it, why don't you post up the GPS Coordinates for all of us to have public access to it?  Selectively handing out permission - for whatever reason - is not that much different than leasing it to somebody.  But, it's private property, and you're doing what you want with it.  Entirely your right.  And other private property owners are doing what they want with theirs, which probably includes having to lease out hunting privileges just to pay the ever increasing costs of doing business as a farm/ranch etc. 

Getting mad at Chad for offering to lease is a little shortsighted.  It was going to happen sooner or later - landowners are having to make more money off of the land they have to take care of, and a lease also protects them from sue-happy idiots that think a great place for their old refrigerator is right down in that ditch.   Yes, we can be pi$$ed off that farmers are leasing instead of doing it the old way.  I lost a perfect situation for me when I lived in Spokane to a group that came in and leased up a over a thousand acres of ranch land with a 47 acre lake on it.  I shot my first deer there, first goose, first grouse, first "any kind of duck you can imagine", ground squirrel, hun, pheasant, coyote, etc.  Plus the lake had great fishing as well.  My Grandpa was good friends with the rancher and the guy liked me real well, too.  I practically lived there when I got old enough to drive - but one day I get down there and there are signs and a lock on the gate.  I got a "sorry, son" when I went to go ask if I could get a key.  Later learned from my Grandpa that he had to do it to keep the ranch going.  Beef was down and costs were up.  I was pretty tore up over it back then, but I understood.

So, I don't have access to any great private property on a handshake or help fixing fences any more.  I pay for access now - bought a Hancock permit again this year.  If I wanted to go duck hunting, with my limited time and virtually no duck gear left, I'd just go looking for a guide to pay to take me out now.  Probably not that Chad guy, tho - he looks like he's trying to win some sort of Brett Michaels look alike contest...

skillet i have given people from this huntn site permission to hunt my place when ever they want, and i am all for the youth huntn more than happy to give kids permission to hunt, i personally dont like duck huntn, i likw taken my son out he loves it, but now that ots a no shootn zone which is b,s you would have to see my place to undestand so if someone can help getn it atleast a shotgun only zone that would be great and i would be happy to set it up to where people could come hunt in peace and quit

[BOWHUNTER45]

jackMaster ...is this area close to town or what ...This no shooting zone sounds like a bunch of BS ..?

[CAMPMEAT]

Guys,

Greatly appreciate the supportive posts and PM's.  Appreciate them, but they aren't necessary.  I'm a big boy and I realize that there are some people that are living in fear of losing their free places to hunt just like there are lots of people that live in fear of going to the mailbox once a month and a check not being in there.  I don't see things the same as either one of these groups.  There's nothing I can say or do as a representative of myself or Banded to change that.

What I can say is that through all this I've learned that I made the right choice by sponsoring this site and that the major reason that this thread started was "Sponsors Should be Screened"...Well the title of the thread should be changed to say "All Sponsors Should be Screened to Make Sure They Aren't Guides That Lease Land"...Much more accurate.

I have already met some great people on here...heck they all seem great just some have different viewpoints than I and that's what makes this country great!  I look forward to many great discussions here and we've got some exciting Hunt Washington Exclusives coming!  As far as this thread, I feel like I've answered all that has been asked and we're to the point of a lot of "yeah, what he said" posts.  So, now we're just beating the preverbal dead horse which happens quite often on the internet.  If you have any more questions or comments regarding this, feel free to pm me...unless of course it makes you feel better to "pound on me" in public, you're welcomed to do that and I will respond as I have to all the rest.

Thanks to everyone!

Christian

Hate to say it but, there are thousands and thousands of public land to hunt on in Washington State. So muich that you'd never be able to cover it all in a lifetime..........

[Skillet]

skillet i have given people from this huntn site permission to hunt my place when ever they want, and i am all for the youth huntn more than happy to give kids permission to hunt, i personally dont like duck huntn, i likw taken my son out he loves it, but now that ots a no shootn zone which is b,s you would have to see my place to undestand so if someone can help getn it atleast a shotgun only zone that would be great and i would be happy to set it up to where people could come hunt in peace and quit

My hat's off to you then, jackmaster.  People like you are rare and getting rarer and I'm glad there are a few of you guys around!     Good luck with the no shooting zone thing - there is always a group of Birkenstocked knuckleheads with room-temperature IQ lining up to tell YOU what YOU can do with YOUR property - for YOUR own good.  How did we ever survive as a species before Neighborhood Action Committees??

[jackmaster]

jackMaster ...is this area close to town or what ...This no shooting zone sounds like a bunch of BS ..?

i live on what is called little goose lake between 288th and 264th between meridian and orting kapowsin highway, i guess from what the police officer told me that sometime ago they made it a no shootn zone from 304th north from mountain hwy east to orting kapowsin hwy, the funny thing is paul bunyans rifle range and the way that it is situated youi have fmeyer due north off the north end of the rifle range yet i cant even shoot a shotgun on my place, well thats why i bought my property, you would have to see it to understand, but i have taught my son and a bunch of his friends how to shoot skeet, how to shoot 22s and i built a rifle range with a 100yrd and 175 yrd target, the police officer deemed it safe but had to instuct me not to shoot there but that if i wanted to pursue it that he would go to some meetings with me and see if we could get it changed, i would love to be able to turn it into a youth duck huntn club or somethn to that affect

[BOWHUNTER45]

Man thats crazy ...I just can not see how they can tell you that you can not shoot on your property unless it is in city limits and it is disturbing the peace ...Gun ranges are conservsial around here ...we wanted one up here and they shut it down .... way out in the country and people still voted it down ...totally BS ...I have to drive up into the mountains to shoot my guns and I hate it ...we do have the plantation but I do not go there much ....I should start going more often ....so much for country living 

[predatorpro]

Lighten up on Banded, guys.  It's a company trying to find customers where they are.  Dale provides the vehicle for that and hopefully gets enough out of it to make it worth his time to keep this great site open for all of us to enjoy.  Who cares if that Chad guy is a complete toolshed or not - you don't have to deal with him on any level if you don't want to.  Don't like Banded for whatever reason?  Just don't click the link - but dogging out a company because of their marketing strategy is a bit much.  It's like saying you'd never buy a Chevy truck because that Bob Seger concert you went to back in 1984 was terrible. 
And, as ridiculous as it is, I watched that whole truck-washing commercial.  With the sound off.  No frickin' idea what Banded sells from that ad, and don't care.  Hot girls, garden hoses and white T shirts get a couple minutes of my time. 
Welcome to the board, Christian.

i agree! it like having a fight over a chevy commercial cuz you dont like chevy...then dont buy one! if you dont like it dont buy it, yours not the only opinion that matters...just my

[h2ofowlr]

Lighten up on Banded, guys.  It's a company trying to find customers where they are.  Dale provides the vehicle for that and hopefully gets enough out of it to make it worth his time to keep this great site open for all of us to enjoy.  Who cares if that Chad guy is a complete toolshed or not - you don't have to deal with him on any level if you don't want to.  Don't like Banded for whatever reason?  Just don't click the link - but dogging out a company because of their marketing strategy is a bit much.  It's like saying you'd never buy a Chevy truck because that Bob Seger concert you went to back in 1984 was terrible. 

Not really, but okay.  Various things I don't like and don't buy.  Then their are things that are dragging down a sport.  Those are of concern.  Chevy is the core, I may or may not like "Bob" but I would still have no issue with Chevy.
If the core or "Chevy" was the root of all evil, then I would dislike that and all it stands for.  A little better comparison for you.
And, as ridiculous as it is, I watched that whole truck-washing commercial.  With the sound off.  No frickin' idea what Banded sells from that ad, and don't care.  Hot girls, garden hoses and white T shirts get a couple minutes of my time. 
Welcome to the board, Christian.

i agree! it like having a fight over a chevy commercial cuz you dont like chevy...then dont buy one! if you dont like it dont buy it, yours not the only opinion that matters...just my

[BOWHUNTER45]

this is dragging on to long  and I hate CHEVYS !