Sponsors should be screened. I see Banded as a sponsor on Waterfowl.

[Ned]

This is reason enough not to support your company.  Chad, he thinks he is the cock of the block.  If he is not "Winning" then he pisses and moans about it.  His losses at at calling championship were blamed on the judges not his skill.  It's all about him.  People are figuring it out quickly, so hopefully you rolled your dice correctly on the Banded notion or you just made a bad investment.  Hopefully your banded / Avery team didn't turn down the short road! 

Dude you have him confused with Trevor Shannahan on the calling deal.


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[Ned]

Truthfully yes I would ...... 

Your nose is growing.

Actually, if that farmer let me hunt his land, I probably would also.

And if your location is "duck central," why are you coming here 

Why would he need to let you use his land.
Tradeing hunting for use of a truck IS A LEASE in a way.

People want to hunt for free, why not loan out your stuff for free???

PS.................I live here.

[Ned]

I just realised how sad this is.
Its a beautiful 85 degree day outside and I'm on the puter arguing with a bunch of girls crying they lost a (FREE) hunting spot.

Think I'll go load the dogs in the truck and head to the river for a swim.
Then I may just drive the roads in the valley looking for new feilds to lease for this fall ..............peace out homies.

[Kola16]

Mr. Chad is a business man. He's in it for the money and not about anything else. Plain and simple.

Ya, I guess that is obvious.

Why would he need to let you use his land.
Tradeing hunting for use of a truck IS A LEASE in a way.

People want to hunt for free, why not loan out your stuff for free???

PS.................I live here.

Yes it is a lease, but I am not taking that land from someone else that has been hunting it.

Plus I can't afford to lease land anyway so I really don't care about that.

The youth (me) is being crammed into one small public land piece (not all by guides). I can point my gun to the right of me, or left of me, and sink someone's decoys.

I just realised how sad this is.
Its a beautiful 85 degree day outside and I'm on the puter arguing with a bunch of girls crying they lost a (FREE) hunting spot.

Think I'll go load the dogs in the truck and head to the river for a swim.
Then I may just drive the roads in the valley looking for new feilds to lease for this fall ..............peace out homies.

Says  the two year old that says he going to go tell his mom on us.

[bearpaw]

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[Kola16]

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Thanks, Dale

My bad. I kind of thought about it after I posted.

[Dan-o]

Well, this thread pretty much sums up what public education has done for us over the last couple decades:

We've raised people who believe they're entitled to use another man's land because they really want to..... and because they can't affords to drive.   And gosh, that just wouldn't be fair.   And it sure wouldn't be fair to put the onus on one's own self to go make it happen by your own hard work.    SOMEBODY must owe me this because, well, because I'm special.

I'm starting to understand more and more how Obama got elected in the first place.

What happened to personal responsibility?

Man, I'd love to know what (if anything) some of you socialist leaning folks do for a living.  I'd especially like to see your reaction when the shoe got put on the other foot (and you were expected to comply to someone else's wishes because of their screwy feelings about what's "right".)

It's just this kind of thing that makes me fear for the America that I'm leaving my kids.   

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." 
Margaret Thatcher

"The problem with other people's land is that sooner or later you feel like you have rights to it if they are kind/stupid enough to let you use it."
Dan-o   

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Yes it is a lease, but I am not taking that land from someone else that has been hunting it.

The bottom line is that it isn't your land so nobody is taking anything from you. The reality is that up until that point that somone leases it you have been extremley fortunate. This is America and you will have plenty of opportunity to earn money and pay for leases if you make it a priority in your life. 

[Blacktail135]

 H20fowlr, did you lose a specific, valued parcel to them? Just curious.

I drove out into one of their places today (a place I used to freely hunt 30 year's ago) and talked with them. Wanted to see what they were up to and take a look at their pitblind. They're just regular dude's with a passion (the local one's anyway). I don't have TV so I've not seen anything about this Belding dude except a little bit of chatter on the Internet (probably would see more if I Google but, I ain't doing that). I too don't like the PERCEIVED status thing and number's thing and I'm better than you thing and my gun is bigger than your gun thing but, dollar's and leasing is the future.

There's a reason I have a crappy truck, a crappy shotgun, a $10 duck call, a 15 year old canvas hunting coat.....I saved my nickel's over the year's and drove around the area for 25 YEAR'S before I bought my duck hunting spot. I've been booted off places before because of the dollar. I cannot blame a farmer (with or without a family) for doing that. I've alway's wanted a nice truck with a small lift kit and nice wheel's and tire's but, the bigger picture to me was a place I can duck hunt 'till I can't duck hunt anymore. I might be there now. Capitalism.....I'm in favor of it. There's way's to get duck hunting place's without "buying the farm" but, now day's it'll take more than a knock on the door in most case's.

[Kola16]

Yes it is a lease, but I am not taking that land from someone else that has been hunting it.

The bottom line is that it isn't your land so nobody is taking anything from you. The reality is that up until that point that somone leases it you have been extremley fortunate. This is America and you will have plenty of opportunity to earn money and pay for leases if you make it a priority in your life. 

Like I said, I really shouldn't be getting into the argument of leasing land if I don't even do that.

I have been filling out many job applications, and have had word from none of them. I am starting to get money from gold panning though, and that is actually fun  Anyways, I do not want it to come to that I have to lease land. I want land to stay public.

[Kola16]

And like Ned said, I think I will head to the river, and hopefully get some gold 

[CCurtis]

H20,

Our discussion has been great to this point.  I have answered and explained everything you have asked or alleged I feel.  When I answer your questions, you move on to the next alleged "crime against humanity" by Chad.  Now we have taken a turn to the ludicrous.  You are now saying that you will not support our company because Chad thinks he's cock of the block and because he griped at a calling contest.  I will not respond to the idea that he thinks he's cock of the walk because I do not care.  I think that's hilarious.  I have enough confidence in my hunting skills to tell you I am way better than Chad...everyday at any type of duck hunting, on any day, in any place.  I will tell him that and he will tell you that.  Heck I know tons of people that Chad couldnt carry their jocks in a duck blind and he knows it.  He is making a show for entertainment...

As far as him griping at a contest...I'm sure he did, I'm sure I have...I'm sure that I have heard 99% of all callers gripe!  I have heard Rick Dunn (the commonly referred to "nice guy" of calling) gripe many times.  Butch?  He always gripes!  Trey?  Gripes.  Man, everyone gripes.  It actually is pretty much part of the game.

Finally, I'm not sure what relavence the "Banded/Avery" comment has.  Were you just wanting everyone to know that some of us worked at Avery?  Or was there other motivation for that?  My point is, when you refer to Drake Waterfowl do you refer to them as Drake/Avery?  Both of their founders used to work at Avery as well....just not sure what you were getting at...

In your last post I detected that your tone had somewhat taken a synical / mean-spirited tone.  I'm sure I'm wrong and you wouldn't head in that direction.  I feel we've had a healthy conversation and obviously by our discussion, judging from the number of views, educated lots and lots of folks on all sides of this topic.  And, I greatly appreciate you engaging me and giving me the opportunity to speak about these topics.

[Special T]

If you have a lesser know company that many have not heard of, Like CCurtis's, all talk is good talk! CC i think you are getting your $$$ worth just from number of new people that have viewed this topic and thus found out about your company. If you make a good  product i hope you succeed. BTW i think that this would be a great Guerrilla Advertising tactic to create buzz for you company on other forums!  I wish i could use it for my company! 

[BOWHUNTER45]

CCurtis I think we all will agree that you have done a fine Job Defending your reputation but its not saying much for Chad ....I would love to see him join in on this conversation and see how he feels about it .. I am not here to make enemies I am here to protect what I believe in .. I am in no means hating anyone over it ..I just drove by numberous wheat fields going to the dump and I seriously was laughing out loud ..Knowing I still know a couple farmers who will gladly let me and my boys hunt this winter ... This site is great to see all the different personalities and thats why I am here ... I feed off of sheet like this . I am also a business owner so I know I have to make money just like you and everyone else But my point is only on the leasing issue nothen more . we are getting choked out and thats the way I see it and as for my nose growing that was an off topic thing to say because I always give the shirt off by back to people , plus I have mentored many kids in my community and ask for Nothen in return ..just seeing the look on a kids face when he shoots his 1st deer or turkey is good enough for me . It is pretty sad when a kid ask you to take him duck hunting and you have to say No son because everthing is posted or my hunting spot has just become a hunting club or it has all been gated and I can not afford to take you there ...I know what is in store for the future and I am calling BS on it 

[CCurtis]

I appreciate that...we do have common ground...taking kids hunting.  That's awesome.  As far as me defending my reputation, if it came off like that I apologize.  I was in no way trying to defend my reputation as I don't see that anyone was questioning that.  (or maybe I'm too dumb to recognize when they are...which is a distinct possibility.)

And your nose growing?  Not sure what you are referring to?

As far as Chad defending himself...not sure what the defense would be.  You and others are upset because he has leased some hunting ground.  From my point of view, there isn't a defense...he's leasing ground.

Finally, in regards to you seeing the future...could I please get your phone number?  If this is legitimate, I have TONS of questions you may be able to help me with!

In closing, if you ever find yourself in the middle part of the country during duck season, give me a holler...I'll take you hunting anytime...