Is this a decent deal on a Colt 1911 .45?

[Kowsrule30]

Friday I was at several yard sales and one I was talking to an older gentlemen about firearms that lived there.... He pulled out is 1911 .45 with 100 rounds of Federal Hydrashocks... It was issued to him when he joined the military.... It's used but well taken care of.... If I remember correct it was manufactured in 1971??? Not 100% sure on that.... The conversation was really long.... He threw a price out for $600 which I thought was reasonable.... I have his number and was gonna call him and offer $500 cash but didn't want to be a dick and feel like I was kicking him in the nuts too much.... Seems like they are moving and lost their house because everything inside had prices on it.... I mean down to the beds, pics on the wall, and silverware.... So what do you all think? Probably call him in a day or two.... Gotta butter the wife up a little....

[CP]

The military generally wants their issued weapons back.  I知 not saying this is the case but $500 is a lot to pay for stolen gun. 

[CAMPMEAT]

Is it a model 70 ? Mine's worth about $900 in 85 % condition. Nobody will know it's stolen until you transfer it out of his name. Make him go with you to do that, if he says no, don't buy it if you don't want it.

[jrebel]

Don't know about the price with the info provided, but I don't think buyig it would be an issue.  I know of a lot of  old military guns that are on the market.  I would imagine if he served with it in maybe Vietnam or Korea that the government allowed him to keep it when he retired (though the manufactured date would be sometime in the 60's early 70's at the latest).   This would hold especially true if he was an officer.  General enlisted probably have to give their goodies back.   

[Biggerhammer]

The military generally wants their issued weapons back.  I知 not saying this is the case but $500 is a lot to pay for stolen gun.

Load of crap! You have no clue of the actual circumstance of his possession of the firearm. Trust me if they were looking for him or the handgun, they would have gotten it by now. If your missing even a single set of arctic gloves when you leave the military. Your going to know about it, I sure did. Squared away and paid in full like right now.

Calling it a stolen firearm is shimmying your arse out on a long thin branch.

So I guess my uncle would have to return his 1911 he lifted off a "Dink" he put in the dirt in 69 during Vietnam. Because that 1911 was issued to someone???

[DoubleJ]

slowly backs out of thread

[h20hunter]

Regarding the price...........I think if he is asking 6 and you offer 5 cash that is a good place to start on the negotiating. He did bring it up at a garage sale. If he comes back with 6 being firm don't argue it. Take the offer or move on.

Regarding the "other" concerns I don't know anythign about that to offer an opion.

[Kowsrule30]

The military generally wants their issued weapons back.  I知 not saying this is the case but $500 is a lot to pay for stolen gun.

Not sure on ranking but my Dad got to keep his sidearm from Nam.... And I seriously doubt this guy has had many squables with illegal circumstances imo.....

The gun is in 75-80% condition imo.....

[Biggerhammer]

The military generally wants their issued weapons back.  I知 not saying this is the case but $500 is a lot to pay for stolen gun.

Not sure on ranking but my Dad got to keep his sidearm from Nam....

So did mine, he was a "Cambat controller" in the Airforce and he kept his sidearm. Along with a pile of tiger stripe.

[JimmyHoffa]

The military generally wants their issued weapons back.  I知 not saying this is the case but $500 is a lot to pay for stolen gun.

In the case of the .45 ACP, when the military switched to 9mm they began to dispose of the .45 ACPs.  From what I heard they were available to the civilian market if you knew the individual supply/armorer.

[Heredoggydoggy]

[quote author=Kowsrule30 link=topic=102595.msg1335032#msg1335032 date=1344281439 Seems like they are moving and lost their house because everything inside had prices on it.... I mean down to the beds, pics on the wall, and silverware.... So what do you all think?
[/quote]

Sounds like a divorce to me....I wouldn't worry too much about kicking him in the nuts.  They probably hurt already! 

[Special T]

Well, there is about $100 bucks worth of quality ammo, and a 1911. Thats $500 for the gun and you have to buy the ammo... I'd shoot it and pay the man. 

[MadHatter]

Is it a model 70 ? Mine's worth about $900 in 85 % condition. Nobody will know it's stolen until you transfer it out of his name. Make him go with you to do that, if he says no, don't buy it if you don't want it.

Why would you do a transfer? Just do a bill of sale and be done with it.  There is no registration in our state, meaning its not in anyones name, and there is no law that says a pistol on your DOL report has to be in your possession.  There is no reason to spend the money for a transfer when buying private party...

Sent from my sniper hide...

[CAMPMEAT]

Is it a model 70 ? Mine's worth about $900 in 85 % condition. Nobody will know it's stolen until you transfer it out of his name. Make him go with you to do that, if he says no, don't buy it if you don't want it.

Why would you do a transfer? Just do a bill of sale and be done with it.  There is no registration in our state, meaning its not in anyones name, and there is no law that says a pistol on your DOL report has to be in your possession.  There is no reason to spend the money for a transfer when buying private party...

Sent from my sniper hide...

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I wouldn't transfer it. But you know how the internet, do-gooder, wanna be ethical police are on this forum. 

[Biggerhammer]

Screw transferring jack! 

[CAMPMEAT]

Screw transferring jack! 

I never transfer anything, unless it's new.

[MadHatter]

Is it a model 70 ? Mine's worth about $900 in 85 % condition. Nobody will know it's stolen until you transfer it out of his name. Make him go with you to do that, if he says no, don't buy it if you don't want it.

Why would you do a transfer? Just do a bill of sale and be done with it.  There is no registration in our state, meaning its not in anyones name, and there is no law that says a pistol on your DOL report has to be in your possession.  There is no reason to spend the money for a transfer when buying private party...

Sent from my sniper hide...

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I wouldn't transfer it. But you know how the internet, do-gooder, wanna be ethical police are on this forum. 

Hey I hear ya there...just wanted to make sure the OP didn't think it was manditory

[CAMPMEAT]

Is it a model 70 ? Mine's worth about $900 in 85 % condition. Nobody will know it's stolen until you transfer it out of his name. Make him go with you to do that, if he says no, don't buy it if you don't want it.

Why would you do a transfer? Just do a bill of sale and be done with it.  There is no registration in our state, meaning its not in anyones name, and there is no law that says a pistol on your DOL report has to be in your possession.  There is no reason to spend the money for a transfer when buying private party...

Sent from my sniper hide...

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I wouldn't transfer it. But you know how the internet, do-gooder, wanna be ethical police are on this forum. 

Hey I hear ya there...just wanted to make sure the OP didn't think it was manditory

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[BULLBLASTER]

Call the sheriff with the serial # and they can tell you if it was reported stolen or suspected of being used in a crime. If that checks.out clear pay the man and walk away with your new gun. That's what I have done while buying used guns from people I don't know. Actually prefer to bug that way... 

[CAMPMEAT]

If you call the cops to check on a gun and it comes back stolen, neither will have the gun. They take it.

[MadHatter]

LE are not supposed to release that info to you... ACCESS, which governs the data here in WA, forbids releasing that info to non-LE.  When I worked for a dispatch center people would call in and ask for all sorts of silly stuff like that for cars, guns, computers... The list goes on...

I highly (HIGHLY) doubt its stolen, but if the OP is worried about it the best way is a bill of sale with the sellers signature that he legally possessed the firearm, that it is not stolen or used in a crime.  I would snatch it up for that price and enjoy it...

Sent from my sniper hide...

[Bofire]

In pre liberal puke days many guys got to keep items from the service they performed, sometimes a purchase was involved sometimes not. My oldest Brother Lee got to keep his 45 and a helmet dented from stopping a piece of shrapnel while patrolling the Korean DMZ in 1959. I don't know what the rules are now.
Buy that gun a treasure it as a piece of American History!!!
Carl

[FC]

LE are not supposed to release that info to you... ACCESS, which governs the data here in WA, forbids releasing that info to non-LE.  When I worked for a dispatch center people would call in and ask for all sorts of silly stuff like that for cars, guns, computers... The list goes on...

I highly (HIGHLY) doubt its stolen, but if the OP is worried about it the best way is a bill of sale with the sellers signature that he legally possessed the firearm, that it is not stolen or used in a crime.  I would snatch it up for that price and enjoy it...

Sent from my sniper hide...

I've done it for a couple of guns and while one told me (without my asking) they had no way of telling me  if it had been used in a crime or not but they made no complaint over informing me whether or not it was reported as stolen.

Why would LE not inform you on whether or not a gun was stolen? That makes no sense at all unless their goal is to promote the sale of stolen property. 

[Biggerhammer]

LE are not supposed to release that info to you... ACCESS, which governs the data here in WA, forbids releasing that info to non-LE.  When I worked for a dispatch center people would call in and ask for all sorts of silly stuff like that for cars, guns, computers... The list goes on...

I highly (HIGHLY) doubt its stolen, but if the OP is worried about it the best way is a bill of sale with the sellers signature that he legally possessed the firearm, that it is not stolen or used in a crime.  I would snatch it up for that price and enjoy it...

Sent from my sniper hide...

I've done it for a couple of guns and while one told me (without my asking) they had no way of telling me  if it had been used in a crime or not but they made no complaint over informing me whether or not it was reported as stolen.

Why would LE not inform you on whether or not a gun was stolen? That makes no sense at all unless their goal is to promote the sale of stolen property. 

If you were to call the sherrifs office in Douglas Co and ask them to run serial numbers they would laugh you off the phone and go back to whatever they were doing.

[FC]

If you were to call the sherrifs office in Douglas Co and ask them to run serial numbers they would laugh you off the phone and go back to whatever they were doing.

Why is that? The only one I have called for this was King county.

[MadHatter]

LE are not supposed to release that info to you... ACCESS, which governs the data here in WA, forbids releasing that info to non-LE.  When I worked for a dispatch center people would call in and ask for all sorts of silly stuff like that for cars, guns, computers... The list goes on...

I highly (HIGHLY) doubt its stolen, but if the OP is worried about it the best way is a bill of sale with the sellers signature that he legally possessed the firearm, that it is not stolen or used in a crime.  I would snatch it up for that price and enjoy it...

Sent from my sniper hide...

I've done it for a couple of guns and while one told me (without my asking) they had no way of telling me  if it had been used in a crime or not but they made no complaint over informing me whether or not it was reported as stolen. 

Why would LE not inform you on whether or not a gun was stolen? That makes no sense at all unless their goal is to promote the sale of stolen property. 

Because it is against the rules for them to release anything they run in ACCESS.   What they run is the serial number, it will come back either "No Record" meaning its not entered into NCIC/WACIC as a stolen weapon.  There could technically be a stolen report on it, but it slipped through the cracks on entry... I've seen it happen.  The only other return would be a stolen entry.

While I get the premise of "who else can tell you..." I get why ACCESS has the rules they do... It not about promoting the sale of stolen property, its about following the rules you agreed to when you signed an agreement with WSP and the FBI on how you can disseminate the information. 

There would be no way for them to yr ell you if it was used in a crime...

[FC]

There would be no way for them to yr ell you if it was used in a crime...

Obviously...

As to the rest, it still makes zero sense to not tell people whether or not there is a report of theft but it probably does create more criminals ultimately.

[Blacktail Sniper]

I was curious about this issue, so I contacted the Thurston Co Sheriff's office yesterday.  Today I received a reply saying if I forwarded the weapons information, they would gladly check to make sure it is not stolen. 

It may be a case of each individual departments policy as to what or how much they will do. 

Also, I am someone who has had 5 weapons stolen by break-in over the course of 30+ years.   I had serial numbers for each weapon and I have YET to have one come back. 

I am fairly certain that they have changed hands over the course of that time at least once, if someone would have taken the effort to to make a call, maybe I would have one or two back by now.

[Special T]

I was told by sevearl LEO's that BTS you are the exception to the rule. MOST stolen firearms DO NOT have a listing of thier serial numbers as as such are not trackable even if stolen. 

[CAMPMEAT]

I bought a new Ruger 338 17 years ago in the box from a friend. I went to trade it in on a new 300 RUM 5 years ago. It came back stolen from the year before I traded it in. I had that gun for 12 years. It was stolen out of a guys pickup that had ran into his house to get something before he left for elk hunting. I told the cops it was impossible that happened as I had the gun for 12 years before hand. The cops took the gun, end of story. Insurance scam. Why would a guy wait 12 years to report a stolen gun ? The gun shop wanted me to pay for both guns. I didn't do it, so I got the 300 RUM for half price.

[Bofire]

What I was told is the cops do not want to release info but if you know where it is, and it comes up stolen, they will seize it.
Carl

[Biggerhammer]

What I was told is the cops do not want to release info but if you know where it is, and it comes up stolen, they will seize it.
Carl

Now days more often that not, certain departments don't do jack. Unless there is some type of revenue involved.

[Blacklab]

Buddy of mine had a awesome deal on a Kimber 45. Called the county sheriffs dept to verify it wasn't stolen "that good of deal". They didn't even blink on the info came back clean and my buddy was happy happy.

[Kowsrule30]

Well I bit the bullet and got it for $550 with the ammo and his old school holster from the war.... Bill of sale and all the jazz.... Has a second clip too that he found for me... Great guy... It's a straight shooter to boot.... Spent 3 hours shooting the *censored* with him along with two clips.... One last hoorah for him.... Probably won't leave the house much.... Kinda more of an airloom imo because of what happened with it.... He has at least 7 confirmed kills with it and some possibles along with definite hits that surely resulted in death.... Fire fights in heavy cover close range..... It's was his baby and life support.... I promised him I'd take care of it and try to respect it as much as he did and it won't leave me til passed down to my son with it's history to go with it..... Kinda a tear jerker....


Now the agreement with my wife that she informed me of after getting home was I now can't go bear hunting for another week or make that $550 back....      A little pissed.... Had a bear hunt set for this evening with her Uncle and a buddy...... Figures....    Just posted a bunch of crap on CL so should only take a day or two after I scrap this car in the am I'll be halfway there!!!!

[h20hunter]

Sounds like a great deal on something that has major history. You ever want to get rid of it let me know.

[h20hunter]

Oh yeah....also gonna need some pics on this!

[CAMPMEAT]

Happy for you. Now ya hasta get your wife buttered up......

[Blackjaw]

Good job, and great news that you will carry the history of the gun with you.