Did fish and game release wolves?

[Special T]

I think the case could be made that the wolves transplanted to YNP from canada did not meet all of those requirements...     But i agree that there is plenty to go after the WDFW with out going down that road...

[trophyhunt]

To answer the original question, Yup they did.

[seth30]

Humanmanure dropped them off from his white van, then drove back home to his mothers basement, put on a trench coat and played WOW

[pianoman9701]

To answer the original question, Yup they did.

It's time to work on the present situation instead of dwelling on old rumors. Unless you have actual proof of releases, you're just spinning your wheels with this. We really need to concentrate on the enormous problems that are happening now to do with wolf management.

[bobcat]

It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.

Just look at the recent antelope release in this state. The WDFW never could get it done, so a private organization brought the antelope up from Nevada and released them on the Yakama Inidan Reservation where the state has no authority.

The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.

So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.

[Glockster]

It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.

~The same lengthy process as when they "discovered" lynx hair??  LOL

The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.

~The green benefit to having wolves is restoring the natural balance to Washington's ecosystems.  And watchable wildlife is the next big tourism industry.  Haven't you been reading the press releases and studies?

So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.

~ In case you haven't noticed, 8 packs is a very recent phenomenon and there just seem to be trail cams set up to document whenever a new pack "appears".   You always seem to believe the government has your best interests as a hunter (or citizen) at heart?  LOL. 

[pianoman9701]

It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.

~The same lengthy process as when they "discovered" lynx hair??  LOL

The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.

~The green benefit to having wolves is restoring the natural balance to Washington's ecosystems.  And watchable wildlife is the next big tourism industry.  Haven't you been reading the press releases and studies?

So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.

~ In case you haven't noticed, 8 packs is a very recent phenomenon and there just seem to be trail cams set up to document whenever a new pack "appears".   You always seem to believe the government has your best interests as a hunter (or citizen) at heart?  LOL.

I don't get that from BC's statement at all. There's a difference between siding with the DFW on this issue and being realistic. Realism has us understand where we stand today, as opposed to dwelling on something that probably didn't happen in the first place. Again, waste your time arguing about whether wolves were released in WA and you won't be concentrating on the importance of the damage being done now.

[Dave Workman]

It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.

B.C.

I think there is a strong suspicion that the "process" got skipped altogether.  It happened back in ht eClinton admin. when Interior misappropriated millions of dollars of sportsman money for a lot of *censored* stuff, but they got caught at it. 

Then there was that little matter of the lynx hairs up in Chelan County. And they got caught at it.

That kind of thing tends to breed healthy skepticism among outdoorsmen, especially those who have been around long enough to get dry behind the ears from all the hot air blown by the government.

    

ADDENDUM:  I think if you look back to the first page of this thread and read what Bearpaw wrote it helps sharpen the perspective.

[Glockster]

Well I believe they ARE the root of the damage that is being done now; through a combination of action and inaction, the results will be the same....the final three nails in the coffin for national forest based deer and elk hunters in this state.

We have a very clear crystal ball on this issue as to the real damage that will be accomplished on our deer and elk herds.  One need look no farther east than Idaho and western Montana.  By the time they study this to death and are finally forced to implement meaningful lethal control management practices, it will be far too late.

We watched the same thing happen for 15yrs with the Ballard Locks sealion issue.  WDFW's track record is clear when it comes to protecting preditors and dealing with federally protected predators.

[pianoman9701]

Well I believe they ARE the root of the damage that is being done now; through a combination of action and inaction, the results will be the same....the final three nails in the coffin for national forest based deer and elk hunters in this state.

We have a very clear crystal ball on this issue as to the real damage that will be accomplished on our deer and elk herds.  One need look no farther east than Idaho and western Montana.  By the time they study this to death and are finally forced to implement meaningful lethal control management practices, it will be far too late.

We watched the same thing happen for 15yrs with the Ballard Locks sealion issue.  WDFW's track record is clear when it comes to protecting preditors and dealing with federally protected predators.

No one here is disagreeing with you, especially not BC. One of the huge problems we face as hunters is staying unified to accomplish common goals. Unfortunately threads like this often deteriorate because of disagreements about details and people sling mud at each other, like saying BC sides with the government. It's very much like the upcoming Presidential election. If you want Obama out of office, don't sling crap at someone who's got a different opinion than you about abortion, when they're going to vote for the same guy as you. Get a look at what the gold ring is and make plans to grab it. The little differences will pit us against each other when we're really all on the same side of the issue.

[RB]

There are so many things about the wolf plan and wolves in the state that we DO know about, making up more is a futile exercise. We have plenty to go after now.

Planting animals without the necessary steps outlined in the Congressional recovery plan (1988 it think?) is a federal offense. Not only would they be canned immediately, they'd be charged with felonies. Why would a gubmint employee, working toward retirement with full benefits, throw all of that away to plant some wolves when they're coming in on their own just fine? It makes no sense.

Working towards a common goal is where the focus should be. All those "Black Helicopter" enthusiast thinking wolves just magically dropped out of the air by big brother should focus more on getting legislation in place to manage these killing machines.

As far as the "Black Helicopter" goes the US border patrol and US customs help keep drug smugglers and others from entering the US by patrolling the airspace around the nation...just say'n

[Glockster]

I thought America was all about having your own opinion.  It doesn't mean I would not invite any of you to sit by my fire this hunting season.  All this divisive passive aggressive sensitivity really is a symptom of our times.  Our grandfathers....those of the Greatest Generation, would laugh at us...then kick us in the *censored* and tell us to man up and get it done. 

I think we have a grand opportunity this election cycle to throw out some of the trash that's accumulated in Olympia over the last 3 decades.  As a life-long WA hunter, watching the deterioration of game management in this state has been a heartbreaker and I look forward to voting for whichever candidate promises (and delivers) a major housecleaning where WDFW is concerned.   I'm hopeful most here agree and do something about it this November.  No Excuses.

[pianoman9701]

I thought America was all about having your own opinion.  It doesn't mean I would not invite any of you to sit by my fire this hunting season.  All this divisive passive aggressive sensitivity really is a symptom of our times.  Our grandfathers....those of the Greatest Generation, would laugh at us...then kick us in the *censored* and tell us to man up and get it done. 

I think we have a grand opportunity this election cycle to throw out some of the trash that's accumulated in Olympia over the last 3 decades.  As a life-long WA hunter, watching the deterioration of game management in this state has been a heartbreaker and I look forward to voting for whichever candidate promises (and delivers) a major housecleaning where WDFW is concerned.   I'm hopeful most here agree and do something about it this November.  No Excuses.

I believe you've shored up my point. Elect the right people in November who'll make the changes we most need and remember those who are on our side in the election. Quit snapping at each other for minor disagreements which have no effect when we're all going to support the same overall issues.

[RB]

 

[Miles]

There was a guy on here years ago that was making a documentary with "proof of them releasing wolves".   Any word on what became of his "proof"?