Did fish and game release wolves?

[Curly]

That was a guy named wolfbait, right?

[Special T]

Miles, I think you are combining 2 different people and events. Wolfbait did talk about the releasing of wolves, in addition to posting volumes of newspaper stories and such about wolves.

There was a couple of of documentaries done. Yellowstone is dead, and... forget the other one.... 

I have heard that there are various groups gathering their own information... The wheels of justice turn very slow and only AFTER damage happens that can be proven.  I hope we turn this around right away and it would seem that there are many of us that are focused on how we can turn it around via law and WDFW...There may be a time when proving damages might be a person/ranchers only recourse. 

[Miles]

Miles, I think you are combining 2 different people and events. Wolfbait did talk about the releasing of wolves, in addition to posting volumes of newspaper stories and such about wolves.

There was a couple of of documentaries done. Yellowstone is dead, and... forget the other one.... 

I have heard that there are various groups gathering their own information... The wheels of justice turn very slow and only AFTER damage happens that can be proven.  I hope we turn this around right away and it would seem that there are many of us that are focused on how we can turn it around via law and WDFW...There may be a time when proving damages might be a person/ranchers only recourse. 

Perhaps, but there was one individual here claiming to have proof.  He was waiting to release it (for some reason).   I believe he was banned or left and hasn't been back for some time.  Just wondering what "proof" surfaced (if any).

[Miles]

Jackelope.... Help me out here.  I remember you being involved with a lot of the posts.

[Special T]

You may be referring to wolfbait. I think the main problem lies in the fact that the level of "proof" required. Just because it looks like a duck, quacks, and waddles like one does not mean its legal proof. (despite the fact that we know it is)  The quote "smoking gun" has not been revealed, however there is apparently plenty of circumstantial evidence.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Wolfbait had some pretty big ideas about what happened...and absolutely no proof or evidence of his theory (at least that he ever showed).  He was preparing for some court case that no one here has heard anything about. 

I don't believe that wolves were ever released in WA.  So far, no one had been able to produce a shread of real evidence to show that they have.

[Dan-o]

The answer to the original question is:   NO.   WDFW did NOT release wolves in Washington. 

How do I know?   Simple.   People suck at keeping such secrets.    Someone would have blabbed at the local tavern and been called B.s> and gone and gotten their proof.

[bobcat]

It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.

~The same lengthy process as when they "discovered" lynx hair??  LOL

The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.

~The green benefit to having wolves is restoring the natural balance to Washington's ecosystems.  And watchable wildlife is the next big tourism industry.  Haven't you been reading the press releases and studies?

So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.

~ In case you haven't noticed, 8 packs is a very recent phenomenon and there just seem to be trail cams set up to document whenever a new pack "appears".   You always seem to believe the government has your best interests as a hunter (or citizen) at heart?  LOL.

Laugh all you want. I don't think it's funny. No, I don't believe the government has my best interests at heart. But I also can't believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories, and that's what this thread is about. We had wolves in this state in the 80's, I know that for a fact, I saw some in the north Cascades. And the WDFW and/or Forest Service had signs up at all the trailheads warning people that there were wolves in the area. So no, wolves in this state are not a "recent phenomenon." And surely some of the increase has to do with the release of wolves in Montana and/or Idaho. I am 100% positive that the WDFW did not release wolves in this state. As I already said, they had absolutely no reason to do so, and the wolves could eventually lead to a big cut in their budget, due to a decline in the number of deer and elk tags sold. So for that reason, I believe if the WDFW had a choice, they would choose to not have any wolves in this state. Problem is, they don't get to decide. It's not up to them.

[GameHunter1959]

Wolves were here prior, then planted by both environmentalist groups and the WSDFW to expand the population. I don't need to see proof. If is smells like a rat and looks like a rat....it is probably a rat. Nuff said.

[bobcat]

Wolves were here prior, then planted by both environmentalist groups and the WSDFW to expand the population. I don't need to see proof. If is smells like a rat and looks like a rat....it is probably a rat. Nuff said.

    

[Special T]

Personally think that  its the wolves from YNP that are spreading like wildfire across the NW not the original indigenous wolves that were here. Regardless of if my guess is right or not, the herd needs thinning.

[Knocker of rocks]

Wolves were here prior, then planted by both environmentalist groups and the WSDFW to expand the population. I don't need to see proof. If is smells like a rat and looks like a rat....it is probably a rat. Nuff said.

Excellent first post

[GameHunter1959]

I also think they came down from Canada, Idaho, etc. There is no ONE REASON why the wolf population is growing. It is likely all of the above. Just like it makes NO SENSE for the game department to plant them. Well it makes NO SENSE why the game department has made many other decisions. If they did not plant them, then fine. At the end of the day, they are here, have been here, and are continuing to grow here. What difference does it make how they got here? The are here...

[Knocker of rocks]

Wolfbait had some pretty big ideas about what happened...and absolutely no proof or evidence of his theory (at least that he ever showed)

What a wonderful couple he and TWG2A would have made

[Dan-o]

Sounds like a couple of you conspiracy theory types should join the BigFoot thread.   Just sayin.