Wedge Pack: More cattle attacked in Stevens County (poll and letter)

[bearpaw]

FWIW This just showed up on my Facebook page a little bit ago.


http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/wedge/

WDFW is recognizing the fact that dozens of people sighted those pups that were raised in 2009. 

I think they know there is another pack too, there are trail cam photos of wolves on both the eastside and westside of the wedge last winter.

Glad to see the WDFW acting quickly and fairly responsibly, they are moving in the right direction. If wolf recovery will ever have a chance of working, it will only happen by the responsible actions of WDFW. I doubt the people of NE Washington are willing to go through what Idaho went through for 15 years. That simply isn't going to happen. Suzzanne Stone needs to take a dose of reality.

[bearpaw]

You can see exactly where Stone is going, they want to push ranchers off the grazing allotments and sue to stop management of problem wolves.  HHMMM, no wonder this country is in such a mess, nobody is allowed to earn a living anymore not even ranchers. The greenies and wolf huggers have the entire economy of this country in a strangle hold.

You would think that after losing ground in Idaho on wolves after the wolf lovers tried to force too many wolves into that state that these wolf lovers would recognize when they have the best opportunity for the most wolves in Washington. They won a sweet deal with the 15 confirmed packs (WA wolf Plan), but they really want more.

These wolf lovers are so dumbed down with disney-emotion that they will try and force too many wolves on yet another state "Washington". I expect them to sue to stop the legitimate culling of these beef-eating wolves and if that happens the problem will only escalate. The smartest thing Stone and all the wolf lovers could do is to support the removal of problem wolves, with the hope to make the wolf population more compatable.

But don't expect smart thinking on the part of wolf lovers anytime soon. 

[sebek556]

window lickers, all of them....

[pianoman9701]

paino would you mind a little copy and pasting of said facebook?

The guy removed his post. Northway has PM'd me to say he doesn't know who the guy is, but is not happy he was referenced somewhere else.

The gist of the past was " You look like a dork. Northway sends his regards you POS."

[Killmore]

I think they forget  that the Loud mouth farmers feed the world

[dreamingbig]

The defenders of wolves are so far off their rocker it isn't even funny.  If they were actually supporting wildlife through the purchase of tags and licensese with their own hard earned money then maybe they might think differently.

Their subdivisions, malls and golf courses don't help the animals either.  In my opinion, there is not a place for wolves in today's world without very sane management.

[Gringo31]

The smartest thing Stone and all the wolf lovers could do is to support the removal of problem wolves, with the hope to make the wolf population more compatable.

You said a mouthfull Dale....

[bearpaw]

More good info here on impacts by wolves and the potential for the cost in Washington:

Wolf attacks cost Wisconsin taxpayers $1.5 million

http://centralwisconsinhub.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20120820/WDH0101/308200131/Wolf-attacks-cost-Wisconsin-taxpayers-1-5-million?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

[bearpaw]

The wolf-huggers are definitely up in arms... 

http://www.examiner.com/article/wolf-advocates-howling-over-wdfw-action-the-wedge?cid=db_articles

[pianoman9701]

It's just such fantasy they think that the ranchers can just stop their activities for the wolf. It boggles my mind.

[Johnb317]

"Though I’m not a field investigator, I have personally evaluated more than one million dollars of livestock depredations due to wolves, and managed Defenders’ wolf compensation program from 1999 to 2011." 
She's one of the idiots who pushed re-introduction  (Before coming to Defenders, Suzanne started as her career as the public outreach intern for the Central Idaho Wolf Recovery Steering Committee, the assistant director of the Wolf Education and Research Center and then director of Idaho's Wolf Recovery Foundation. She has presented on wolf conservation and nonlethal conflict management methods at conferences and seminars, including Oxford University, the First Diversitas International Conference on Biodiversity, the World Wolf Symposium and the Montana Wool Growers Annual Convention. Suzanne holds a Masters degree in Wildlife Conservation and Conflict Management from Prescott College in Arizona and has received numerous awards for her work, including the "Alpha Award," presented by her peers at the 2005 North American Wolf Conference.)
Masters degree in Wildlife Conservation?!  Nothing about Wildlife Management /Biology etc.    She's  worked since 1988 to bring Canadian wolves to the U.S.
Problem with these people is that it's all theory... i.e. release the wolves and everything will be ok., and they all seem to forget that mankind cannot be left out of the equation.  She makes her living getting donations to save the wolves.

So, although she's not a FIELD INVESTIGATOR, and I assume she didn't go out on the field in question... she knows that her wolves wouldn't think of killing a cow.
  

[RG]

"Though I’m not a field investigator, I have personally evaluated more than one million dollars of livestock depredations due to wolves, and managed Defenders’ wolf compensation program from 1999 to 2011." 
She's one of the idiots who pushed re-introduction  (Before coming to Defenders, Suzanne started as her career as the public outreach intern for the Central Idaho Wolf Recovery Steering Committee, the assistant director of the Wolf Education and Research Center and then director of Idaho's Wolf Recovery Foundation. She has presented on wolf conservation and nonlethal conflict management methods at conferences and seminars, including Oxford University, the First Diversitas International Conference on Biodiversity, the World Wolf Symposium and the Montana Wool Growers Annual Convention. Suzanne holds a Masters degree in Wildlife Conservation and Conflict Management from Prescott College in Arizona and has received numerous awards for her work, including the "Alpha Award," presented by her peers at the 2005 North American Wolf Conference.)
Masters degree in Wildlife Conservation?!  Nothing about Wildlife Management /Biology etc.    She's  worked since 1988 to bring Canadian wolves to the U.S.
Problem with these people is that it's all theory... i.e. release the wolves and everything will be ok., and they all seem to forget that mankind cannot be left out of the equation.  She makes her living getting donations to save the wolves.

So, although she's not a FIELD INVESTIGATOR, and I assume she didn't go out on the field in question... she knows that her wolves wouldn't think of killing a cow.
 

The problem with these people is they have never once had the actual experience of living, working, making a life, in the neighborhood with these wolves.  They live in a world of books and academia where everything exists in a theoretical universe in their minds.  Someday she needs to put on a pair of jeans and boots, saddle a horse, and go work from sunup to sundown out in those woods, day after day after day for about 5 or 10 years as many of us have.  She will experience first hand the lifestyle and then, only then, will I listen to what she has to say because she will now have training and real life experience which would qualify her as an expert.  Until then she's just background noise and a wonder in her own mind and the minds of her peers.  I bet she makes a nice paycheck too.

[bobcat]

I think it's humanure come back to 
 
 
I think he needs banned again.

That is not me, so you can stop with that. And you want me banned for what? because I agree with the forum, yet examine the issue from all sides. Yet you are the one name calling, which is aganist forum rules and can make you subject to being banned. If Dale wants to ban me for having an opinion then go ahead. All that at would do is make the site look bad and lose credibility. It is a chat room, which means everyone can speak their opinion. We don't all have to agree.

    





 

[Elkaholic daWg]

From DFW faceboock discussion

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151017020731761%26set=a.390652606760.166104.385127436760%26type=1%26theater

Dallas Bolen
 Bunch of emasculated hunters with not much endowment trying to huff and puff like gorillas. No one cares how long your family has lived on property stolen from the natives.
humanure speaks... Just do it DFW

[Johnb317]

Oh boy!    People need to understand that we can't turn back the clock. 
Our presence (humans) is a part of nature, and we also are a major impact.
The Indians used to set fires ( what we now call controlled burns ), lumber, agriculture, urban, and rural sprawl all alter what nature does.
The reintroduction of any species without equal recognition to all the above often, and I believe in the case of wolves does lead to disastrous consequences. 
Interesting how groups like RMEF, and DU raise money and provide labor to protect, purchase, and improve habitat, and where most of these friends of the animal groups use raised money for law suits and lobbying.   
In Africa big game hunting does more for protection of wildlife because it pays. 
The same can be said for hunters and fishermen here.  Our dollars both directly and indirectly do more for wildlife and conservation.

Sorry.  Off the soap box.