More gates to keep us out

[Ripper]

I was just sadly informed that the DNR is putting up a gate at my favorite bear hunting spot!  The DNR guy said something to the effect of wanting to preserve Native American berry picking rights or some chit!   :bs:I don't care what the reason, it really F'ing pisses me off! Why do us sportsmen and women always get the short end of the stick? Weather it be because of irresponsible shooters or orvers or dirt bags dumping their trash!  :     I have never witnessed and of the previously mentioned activities in this area other than a couple of mudholes from 4 wheelers, nothing serious. Maybe it is to preserve the berry fields for the natives, although I've never seen anyone picking berries up there. I don't know, I'm just pissed.  Thanks for listening

[sebek556]

anti's goal 1: separate the group into smaller easier to deal with groups. accomplished
goal 2: cause infighting between groups. pretty much accomplished
goal 3: restrict access to areas, this weeds out the old, disabled, injured etc. pretty much accomplished
goal 4: raise prices, simple cannot afford can't play. getting there
goal 5:reduce seasons further. Shorter time, less appealing.
goal 6: shut it down completely. Now that it has dwindled to such smaller, more disperse groups shutting down will be easier with less conflict.

[Special T]

Vote Clint Dider for Lands commissioner! (DNR)

[bobcat]

I'm not surprised.

This might help explain:

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/em_comm_tribalrelations_order_201029.pdf

[Ripper]

So that means locking out all non natives? How is this going to help heal the rift between tribes and everyone else?
  I know this is probably waaaaayyyy out of line but I don't think has anything to do with berries. years ago I saw bears up there every time I went and last year I saw none. I use to see some giant backtails up there, now I hardly see any deer at all. Now they are locking us out.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm 

[Kioti]

Up in our area my hunting partner and I have had gates closed on us while we were up hunting.  Even had the Ahole drive right by us and smile, then drive down the road and close and lock the gate on us. 
Some real bright bulbs out there.
Lots more gates now then their use to be. 
HAAGL/Hunters Against Ahole Gate Lockers

[CAMPMEAT]

What gets me is, tribal members already have hundreds of thousands of acres to pick berries on. I'm not bashing the tribes, just trying to figure out what our government is trying to do, besides piss off the people that pay their wages. Get rid of these assnine liberals that hold offices that can make such stupid decesions without any public input.....

[shedcrazy]

can't you hike or bike in? Some of the best hunting is behind the gates

[grizzlyadams]

can't you hike or bike in? Some of the best hunting is behind the gates

The gate Ripper is talking about will close off too much land. Almost impossible to hike or bike it and cover the area he wants to be able to cover.

Sorry Ripper    that is a really good spot you have. I've had that happen to a few of my spots in the past but yours is a great area. There needs to be some balance. Some entity that works on our behalf that holds these people accountable. There has to be something we can do. This is happening way to often now!

[Ripper]

I'm glad you got to see that spot before they closed it of Grizzly. Yes I can hike in, I agree there are a lot of great places to hike in. I love to hike in and get away from the crowds, but at 48 and with bad ankles, I can only hike so far. The hell hole I like to hunt is way to steep and nasty for me to pack an animal out of so I carry 600' of rope, a chain and pulley, and use my truck to pull them out. That's after we get them to within 600' of the road! I'm afraid I'll have to find another high country location to hunt in until they gate that area off also. I'd certainly hate to damage the tribes berries or the anti's discover some endangered chipmunk they want to protect.

[FC]

You've heard my opinion on getting an animal out of there. With a rope it's do-able but without I think I would just call a few buddies up that were in as good a shape as I am to come up and hike down, build a fire and just eat it there.

[seth30]

Plenty of members here willing to help pack out a animal.    Hopefully ripper if they gate that area off your new honey hole behind that gate will be better than before.

[Alchase]

If this is public land, could not someone sue for discrimination if one ethnicity is the only one given access to this land behind the gates or the keys to this land?
How was due process followed?

[woodswalker]

can't you hike or bike in? Some of the best hunting is behind the gates

That may be so...but with the condition of the knees these days, my days of hiking in 10 miles, taking game and making multiple 10 mile hikes back out with a heavy pack are over.

More it feel like locking it up and excluding those of us who are getting older and dont have unlimited 'spare time' to spend weeks working into the hills.  You know...those of us with JOBS?

I wrote a grump about it a while back....different place but still applies:  The new Wild Sky Wilderness that has been foisted off on us in actuality meets NOT ONE of the requirements for a WILDERNESS under the federal statutes with which its being promulgated. The lands enclosed in this new playground for the unemployed environmentalists to sign up to take a hike in have been logged, mined, riven with roads, power lines and all manner of other man-made items. They are NOT in the definition of a Wilderness, yet there they are, locked away from access but to the stout of body and expansive of time.

Full grump here: http://woodswalker-daylightintheswamp.blogspot.com/2010/03/kings-forests.html

[Ripper]

I sent off a message to the DNR asking the reason for this gate, but I haven't heard back yet. Probably wont.