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Offline micj83

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Would anyone want to pay for this?
« on: September 03, 2012, 04:15:32 PM »
Decided to try out a local smith in Central Washington. Took them a brand new HS PST 007 stock that cost $650. Asked to have the stock fitted to a new PTG DB. Said no problem. Time frame was reasonable enough, and they even offered to bed the recoil lug. Sounded like a sweet deal. Then things go bad. Started off the day before I picked it up, the lead smith said took him and hour and a half. (at $50/hr= $75) Not a bad deal. Next day I go to pick it up, he had scratched off the 1 1/2 hours and wrote 3...? Maybe I shouldn't have told him most shops were charging $100-180 to do this. First impression was eh. Looked good at 10 ft. It definitely lacked the fit and finish part. There was a bunch of release agent, i.e. johnson's floor wax on the barrel and action. He claimed it was dirty when it came in. Unfortunately for him, wrong. I spent the day prior cleaning all my guns getting ready for hunting season. And I'm meticulous with it. He offered to wipe it down in a couple spots, whatever.

Took it home to clean it again, only then to discover that he had actually chipped pieces of the stock off while milling it. Then glued them back into place. Ok well now I'm heated. Head back down and confront him with this issue. Yet again he lies and says he didn't chip anything. Hell he had a brand new bit in the mill. And there was no way he glued anything back on. He did offer to contact HS Precision for some paint to "fix the issue".

Moving on, I took it back home and pulled it apart to clean everything up. Not satisfied with out conversation, but I have a life and things to do besides sit at the smith's business. Well when pulling the action from the stock, low and behold the piece that "wasn't glued back on" comes off. Leaving a nice little bit of glue residue on the stock. Not to mention two of the three chips on the finish were actually cracks in the stock the protrude down into the mag well and trigger guard area. Then I see the "bedding" job he did. I have never seen such a poor example of bedding in my life. Not solid, air pockets everywhere, excess on the aluminum blocks, etc... Upon further investigation I noticed a problem with the rear pillar. Even though he charged me more due to having to test fit and realign and level in the mill, my rear pillar is machined at a nice angle. Now how could that have happened? Well all said and done, he and I are going to have a nice chat tomorrow, being it was a holiday. And I'm thinking a new stock is in order. Any opinions on the subject. For now I won't say who it was pending the conversation tomorrow, but if they want to save face for the lies I don't think $866 is too much.
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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 04:26:21 PM »
I don't blame you for being upset, Hope it turns out right for you

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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 04:30:21 PM »
hope it wasn't here in the Burg....

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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 04:36:14 PM »
HOLY SMOKES!! What a Frikn nightmare! Hope that train wreck gets sorted out for you. I wouldn't let that guy near a Lego set , let alone a rifle. SAD! >:(

Is the bedding touching the front and sides of the recoil lug?
« Last Edit: September 03, 2012, 04:44:37 PM by Biggerhammer »

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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 04:44:31 PM »
That looks like something I could do but, there is a reason I'm not a gunsmith

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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 05:38:00 PM »
Id get a new stock out of him and then Id raise hell with anyone whod listen.

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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 05:42:04 PM »
that sucks man, I really didn't understand the technical jargon you wrote up but it sounds like they really screwed your stock up. Hope it all works out
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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 05:59:12 PM »
Dude,

I am Eburg, what gunsmith shop screwed that up?  I am a trained gunsmith, and I have bedded probably 100 stocks...   

That is just plain F'd up.   I would go back to that shop, give them one opportunity to fix it... if they refuse, just mention you will make sure 11,000 hunters and shooters in Washington state know what a crappy job they do as a gunsmith shop and walk out....

Hit me up, and I will help ya fix it.   :tup: :tup:

Their fit and finish sucks, the bedding area has cracks and pits in it.... totally unacceptable.  they should have ground it ALL out after seeing how it set, and redone it. 
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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 05:59:39 PM »
I am not a gun smith, but could have probably done a better job... That is NOT OK... I would flat out tell him that he owes you a new stock and they you intend on taking it else where to be worked on.  I would also explain that you are a member of an online community with over 11,000 people that live and hunt here in WA and that you will make sure that every one of them know not to patronize his business.  That can sometimes turn people around. 

Guess if that doesn't work I would talk to every other local gun smith around and tell them about it... Gun smiths talk, and word will get back to him.  Generally if a smith is highly specialized in one thing, or kind of firearm, other smiths will send them business because they know that the customer will be happier in the long run and they will get a good recommendation from that person because they took the time send them somewhere it would be right, rather then doing a 90% job on it themselves and charging the customer.

Also I would leave a review on any website you can find to review businesses and put up a post on every forum you are part of here in WA, and then make sure you mail him a copy of each review/post...

Work like that is not OK, and with the firearm community being as small as it is around here word will get around and put him out of business.  I will, and have many times, gone out of my way to get work to a gun smith because I know it will come back right, and exactly how I asked for it.
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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 07:32:53 PM »
 mike, report back after you have a chat....wow!!!

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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 07:52:57 PM »
what a hack job - dayum
 
getting ready to do my stock, think I'll do it myself!

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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 07:57:57 PM »
Even if he bought you a new stock and refunded 200% of your money, I'd like to know the name of the business. Avoiding that place would be my priority at this point for a minimum of 5 years.  :twocents:
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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2012, 08:01:46 PM »
Dude,

I am Eburg, what gunsmith shop screwed that up?  I am a trained gunsmith, and I have bedded probably 100 stocks...   

That is just plain F'd up.   I would go back to that shop, give them one opportunity to fix it... if they refuse, just mention you will make sure 11,000 hunters and shooters in Washington state know what a crappy job they do as a gunsmith shop and walk out....

Hit me up, and I will help ya fix it.   :tup: :tup:

Their fit and finish sucks, the bedding area has cracks and pits in it.... totally unacceptable.  they should have ground it ALL out after seeing how it set, and redone it.

As for who it was again I'll give them the opportunity to replace it and refund the money involved. If they don't want to take the offer, I have no problem blasting them to the community. As for the stock, it didn't even need the bedding due to the aluminum bedding block. He just offered it after he did the bottom metal. I think it was due to his milling attempt being second rate and was trying to hide evidence of it. Oh well. The stock is pretty much toast. The rear pillar is milled at an angle and the only way to fix that is to shave down the entire bedding block for adhesion (which is possible) to do a full bedding job top and bottom. I just want to start over and move on.
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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2012, 08:03:10 PM »
mike, report back after you have a chat....wow!!!

HAHAHA, will do Mike. Now we know who not to take things to... I'll give you a call tomorrow or maybe just stop by. I don't have anything going on tomorrow anyways.
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Re: Would anyone want to pay for this?
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 08:03:52 PM »
I'd let everybody know who it is right now ! It's hunting season and I would be pissed if I got slob work done like that, and besides, the guy is a liar and I'd tell him to his face, period !!
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