It's Washington rural v. Seattle urban

[Dave Workman]

Seattle urban v. Washington rural in wolf war
 
The Seattle Times is finally catching up on its wolf war coverage, but public reaction to Friday’s wolf update about plans to kill at least four of the predators is as interesting, if not moreso – and telling – than the story.
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/seattle-urban-v-washington-rural-wolf-war?cid=db_articles

[KyleMB123]

In the end Washington rural will win because the pro-wolf Seattle folks don't buy hunting licenses and don't lease land from the state.  It is only a matter of time.  Within three years I think we will have wolf hunting in Washington.  The quotas will probably be low, but the state will be selling wolf tags.

[CAMPMEAT]

I just love how people that don't even have a real clue can dictate what others can and can't do. These liberal whiners need to see what these wolves are doing in person. They need to see the maggots, dried blood, calves suffering without any hamstrings left and their insides hanging out, moaning in pain and being totaly helpless to defend themselves against any predator after the wolves have done their part. These SOB's are nothing more than maggots to society themselves !!!!!!!!!!! These wolf people types really piss me off, sitting in their offices telling everybody what to do. Sueing sportsmen/women and ranchers, tying up courts for their own issues and good. The WDFW needs to grow some very large testicles and tell them to mind their own business, not in a nice way either, and help the sportsmen/women and ranchers.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Your right but it will not take long to end up like Idaho or Montana ....Control them now and help keep them at managable levels .... Hopefully !!

[Elkaholic daWg]

 " Return of the Wolves" write up in Everett Herald today... Link Later.I'm on dial up and their site is SLOW. Saw it in printed edition

http://www.heraldnet.com/section/News

[SpringerFan]

I am on the Wetside but please don't lump me in with the liberal tree hugging, wolf loving type.

While I am a new hunter (going on 5 years) I belong on the other side. I have the luck to pheasant hunt in the Waitsburg / Dayton area and think that is a blessing.

Last year there were a few kids in an RV next to us who were boating over to the Palouse to deer hunt. They had no luck. Saw no deer. But did manage to see a black wolf every day.

This last weekend we stayed in Yakima and in  the spot next to us was a nice couple from Montana. They are big in to the Tea Party (go figure) and lived in Renton for a bit. Moved to Yakima. Retired to Montana in the Bitteroots.

They were awesome!!!! They have wolves, cougar and can you imagine, less deer and elk then years gone by. Haven't seen a moose in over 5 years.

We had some great chats about local politics here and in Montana. The thing that struck me was they talked about all the money coming from California to Montana buying up property, lobbying for wolves and just being, well, ignorant to their new surroundings.

Makes me sad to think that we are heading in the same direction with the Westside liberals having the control.

I so wish my wife and I could get out of here and over to where the people get it.

Please vote these dems out of office. This really sucks.

And a positive note, safe and happy hunting.

[CAMPMEAT]

I am on the Wetside but please don't lump me in with the liberal tree hugging, wolf loving type.

While I am a new hunter (going on 5 years) I belong on the other side. I have the luck to pheasant hunt in the Waitsburg / Dayton area and think that is a blessing.

Last year their were a few kids in an RV next to us who were boating over to the Palouse to deer hunt. They had no luck. Saw no deer. But did manage to see a black wolf every day.

This last weekend we stayed in Yakima and in  the spot next to us was a nice couple from Montana. They are big in to the Tea Party (go figure) and lived in Renton for a bit. Moved to Yakima. Retired to Montana in the Bitteroots.

They were awesome!!!! They have wolves, cougar and can you imagine, less deer and elk then years gone by. Haven't seen a moose in over 5 years.

We had some great chats about local politics here and in Montana. The thing that struck me was they talked about all the money coming from California to Montana buying up property, lobbying for wolves and just being, well, ignorant to their new surroundings.

Makes me sad to think that we are heading in the same direction with the Westside liberals having the control.

I so wish my wife and I could get out of here and over to where the people get it.

Please vote these dems out of office. This really sucks.

And a positive note, safe and happy hunting.

That's funny you mentioned a black wolf down there. I met a guy last week in St. Maries Idaho that has family in Pomeroy. He said he saw a black wolf a couple weeks ago near there.

[Elkaholic daWg]

 On a lighter note

http://www.backcountryrebels.com/showthread.php?t=24107

[CAMPMEAT]

Where did you find that ? That's funny stuff.

[bearpaw]

I am of the opinion that one way or another wolves will be managed in Washington. Just as in the other states, cattlemen and hunters are going to get tired of wolves destroying livestock and game herds and the WDFW will have to act just as they are acting now by managing the depredating wedge pack.

The wolf groups think they can control wolves so the WDFW may end up in court but once problems get bad enough, no matter what the courts say, the people will find a way to take care of the wolf problem one way or another.

Cattlemen are playing along hoping for responsible management, but when wolf groups get in the way of management, people are going to protect their livestock and livlihoods and what's left of the game herds. Wolves will not have a free-for-all forever like the wolf huggers have imagined.

[CedarPants]

I'm still giving the WDFW the benefit of the doubt and commend them for what they are trying to do in the Wedge, but I do find the 2012 Performance Agreement between the Fish and Wildlife Commission and Director Phil Anderson to be an interesting read.  I see no way around things eventually blowing up in their face at this point.

When you read down to the Priority Actions under Attachment B, it reads that goal #1 is to:  Conserve and protect native fish and wildlife .

Great goal!  Then just below that it lists priority #1 of goal #1.  I'll give you one guess as to what animal is listed.

Goal #2 is to:  provide sustainable fishing, hunting, and other wildlife related recreational and commercial experiences.

They are no longer required to provide sustainable fishing and hunting opportunity as a stand alone objective.  It has been lumped into the same category as "wolf watching", as I read it.  It's all classified as "wildlife related recreational experiences", and they have to make Todd the wolf photographer just as happy as Bob the hunter.

Which will never happen

[bearpaw]

The wolf picture for the article was on the front page for the newspaper in Port Angeles.
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20120914/NEWS/309149980/weekend-born-to-be-wild-steppenwolf-music-live-wolf-to-benefit
I don't know how to just post the image so here's the link.

Can't imagine why so many people think they are all cute and cuddly.

(Joke) Maybe we should send over a few wedge wolves to lick their faces. 

(Erkel: did I say that)

[Humptulips]

I am of the opinion that one way or another wolves will be managed in Washington. Just as in the other states, cattlemen and hunters are going to get tired of wolves destroying livestock and game herds and the WDFW will have to act just as they are acting now by managing the depredating wedge pack.

The wolf groups think they can control wolves so the WDFW may end up in court but once problems get bad enough, no matter what the courts say, the people will find a way to take care of the wolf problem one way or another.

Cattlemen are playing along hoping for responsible management, but when wolf groups get in the way of management, people are going to protect their livestock and livlihoods and what's left of the game herds. Wolves will not have a free-for-all forever like the wolf huggers have imagined.

Sorry to say I'm pretty pessimistic. Do you think Wolves and any predators for that matter can be controlled without the support of WDFW? I think not!
Let's face it. This is the anti-hunter/ animal rights activist game plan.
More predators=less game=fewer hunters= less political clout for wildlife management.
Cougar cannot be controlled without hound hunting and wolves cannot be controlled without trapping. Sure we hear people say they will shoot everyone they see but that will not even stop the increase.
We cannot control wolves without a change in the law. Eventually they will be all over the state and the only thing to slow them down will be when there is no game left. How many will buy a license when hunting becomes an exercise in futility? Without many hunters WDFW will swing farther towards the AH/ARs.
Looks to me like a long downhill slide.

[bearpaw]

I somewhat agree and I wished the WDFW could really manage wolves because I think they could, but the wolf groups have a choke collar around their neck just as they did in ID/MT and everytime WDFW make a move the wolfers don't like they are going to pull on the choke collar. Have you noticed how cougar complaints have dropped off in the NE corner. A lot of locals have told me they are tired of calling and not getting meaningful help. They say they just take care of the problem. Even our legislators say that people have lost faith and are taking care of things themselves. It's sad to see but that's what people are being forced to do.

This is what happened in Idaho, stop in any town over there and talk wolves, for many people season never ends. I hate to see this happening to wildlife management, but tell me this, do people like the McIrvins have any other choice if the system fails them? Eventually people will react to survive!

[sled]

  I've heard in montana alot of people gut shoot them, and let them run off.  Hmmm....