A different "would you have shot this bear" thread....link to the web

[h20hunter]

Looks like somebody in the "Quah" got a little trigger happy. Sounds like they may pop him for illegal discharge. Be interested to hear his side of the story. Was he protecting his family? Was the bear threatening? These things are going to happen more and more as people build more and more. Kind of feel bad for the bear in this one. I feel like the shooting needs to be justified more than if he had popped a meth head....but that is just me.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Snoqualmie-man-under-investigation-for-killing-black-bear-169714566.html

[mfswallace]

sounds like someone who just wanted to shoot a bear......familiar...

[Curly]

Not any info in the story to judge whether it was justified.  Although, it is suspect since he fired at a bear last year.  Sure was a big bear though..........

[h20hunter]

I agree.....no info at all to judge the shooting as justified or not.

[robescc]

The only thing he did wrong was not using a suppressed rifle 
I would like to know the details before anyone judges him. It could have been aggressive.

[mfswallace]

The only thing he did wrong was not using a suppressed rifle 
I would like to know the details before anyone judges him. It could have been aggressive. 
[/quote]

your all drinking the Koolaid and giving every idiot the benefit of the doubt just to    huh???  When would it ever be OK for someone to fire four shots outside in your neighborhood with your kids sleeping in there beds.... Don't give me the intruder response cause that isn't this and don't say he had no choice when he could have went inside his house and shut the door and called it in.  I know there isn't anything in the story to suggest anything was done wrong but come off your innocent school boy stance, he clearly needs some guidence as to firearm safety and ethics lessons   

[predatorpro]

who knows! i wasnt there! 

[Alchase]

Where are the pictures of this "450 lb" bear they are talking about?

[h20hunter]

Good question. I have no doubts there are good sized bears eating from bird feeders but 450......?

[predatorpro]

lol yeh 450 is a big bear! some guy from wenatchee told me he shot a 500 pounder the other day... the pictures say it might way 250 if its soaking wet

[Kowsrule30]

If I found a bear in my yard it would get shot no matter what.....   Just sayin.....

[Curly]

Where are the pics.  Didn't happen if there are no pics, right? 

[mfswallace]

Where are the pics.  Didn't happen if there are no pics, right? 

 

 

[pjb3]

He is guilty of wrong doing
I'm 100% sure it is not a 450lb bear either

[D-Rock425]

Why are all the bears in the news 400 pounds plus .  I cant even find a nice 250 pounder.

[saylean]

Why are all the bears in the news 400 pounds plus .  I cant even find a nice 250 pounder.

 

I hear ya. I read that and was suprised a WDFW officer said that weight....I would really like to see a pic of a bear that big.

Who knows, might have been a problem bear, getting into trash...might have startled him after dark, etc...false charge...

or could have been " I want to shoot a bear"....either way....issaquah residents need to realize they are surrounded by bears and should be securing garbage as such.

[Ryan308]

I know that fine officer and I believe him. He's seen enough in years of service to know. I think this guy is trigger happy and just stupid for shooting in Snoqualmie Ridge those house are 6 ft apart at best. Go inside and put your guns for sale here so responsible people can buy them.

[BOWHUNTER45]

All bears are 400 pounds when it comes to telling the story to the public ...I know how many bears I have seen in my life time and not one was over 400 pounds   

[robescc]

The only thing he did wrong was not using a suppressed rifle 
I would like to know the details before anyone judges him. It could have been aggressive. 

your all drinking the Koolaid and giving every idiot the benefit of the doubt just to    huh???  When would it ever be OK for someone to fire four shots outside in your neighborhood with your kids sleeping in there beds.... Don't give me the intruder response cause that isn't this and don't say he had no choice when he could have went inside his house and shut the door and called it in.  I know there isn't anything in the story to suggest anything was done wrong but come off your innocent school boy stance, he clearly needs some guidence as to firearm safety and ethics lessons   

Dude, you need to relax. I was making a joke. I am just about done with all the up tight, know-it-alls in this forum. Some of you all need to pull your heads out. It's to the point where I don't even want to post a pic because of all the picture police out there. Gee wiz.

[robescc]

My innocent school boy stance is because we don't know what happened. This guy could have had problems for many years. Maybe he did call every encounter in and nothing was done about it. Over time, you would get fed up too. MOST of you guys would end up taking matters into your own hands, as would I. We can't judge him until we know the particulars.

[NW-GSP]

If that bear is 400 lbs then the heffers I see at Walmart have to be 2 tons easily 

[mfswallace]

The only thing he did wrong was not using a suppressed rifle 
I would like to know the details before anyone judges him. It could have been aggressive. 

your all drinking the Koolaid and giving every idiot the benefit of the doubt just to    huh???  When would it ever be OK for someone to fire four shots outside in your neighborhood with your kids sleeping in there beds.... Don't give me the intruder response cause that isn't this and don't say he had no choice when he could have went inside his house and shut the door and called it in.  I know there isn't anything in the story to suggest anything was done wrong but come off your innocent school boy stance, he clearly needs some guidence as to firearm safety and ethics lessons   

Dude, you need to relax. I was making a joke. I am just about done with all the up tight, know-it-alls in this forum. Some of you all need to pull your heads out. It's to the point where I don't even want to post a pic because of all the picture police out there. Gee wiz.

c ya

[grizzlyadams]

I know that fine officer and I believe him. He's seen enough in years of service to know. I think this guy is trigger happy and just stupid for shooting in Snoqualmie Ridge those house are 6 ft apart at best. Go inside and put your guns for sale here so responsible people can buy them.

What does this mean?? Let's see....hmmm..because an LEO has been in service for say 20 or 30 years this means he's ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL, ABLE TO KNOW ALL OF THE FACTS EVEN WHEN NOT THERE,  AND CAN READ PEOPLES MINDS.
What a load of crap!!!

If I saw a 400 lb bear hanging out where my daughter plays I'd kill it too. Of coarse legally with a tag in one hand and a stick and string in the other.

[mfswallace]

I know that fine officer and I believe him. He's seen enough in years of service to know. I think this guy is trigger happy and just stupid for shooting in Snoqualmie Ridge those house are 6 ft apart at best. Go inside and put your guns for sale here so responsible people can buy them.

What does this mean?? Let's see....hmmm..because an LEO has been in service for say 20 or 30 years this means he's ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL, ABLE TO KNOW ALL OF THE FACTS EVEN WHEN NOT THERE,  AND CAN READ PEOPLE MINDS.
What a load of crap!!!

If I saw a 400 lb bear hanging out where my daughter plays I'd kill it too. Of coarse legally with a tag in one hand and a stick and string in the other.

Ryan308 said he believes this LEO about the bear weight since he knows him personally.  He is saying "I"(Ryan308) thinks the guy is trigger happy not that the LEO did or is ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL, ABLE TO KNOW ALL OF THE FACTS EVEN WHEN NOT THERE,  AND CAN READ PEOPLE MINDS.

[grizzlyadams]

If he was talking about the size of the bear, then I agree with him. If he was speaking of the the individual who fired the gun being trigger happy then my last statement stands.

What makes a father who is protective of his children and their play area "Trigger Happy"? The fact that he shot at a bear last year and missed for being in the same area where his children play. Hmmm, guess I'm trigger happy then, because I kill every predator that I see around my place to protect my young children, dog, chickens, garden ect. Again, of coarse I do it legally with tags...either predation tags or hunting tags.

I think the LEO needs some help with his judgement and more training if he is calling a protective father trigger happy for shooting a bear where his children play..... Besides, who made him the judge labeling him trigger happy and since when does his opinion matter. State the facts and enforce the law is all he is required to do. His opinion of this guys character doesn't mean jack to me and its none of his business. That is the job of a judge and jury if it gets to that point.

Don't like it, then go live somewhere like Russia, China or Iran where the police are free to exact there judgements on the people. We live in a democracy where you are innocent until proven guilty.

[Curly]

I know that fine officer and I believe him. He's seen enough in years of service to know. I think this guy is trigger happy and just stupid for shooting in Snoqualmie Ridge those house are 6 ft apart at best. Go inside and put your guns for sale here so responsible people can buy them.

What does this mean?? Let's see....hmmm..because an LEO has been in service for say 20 or 30 years this means he's ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL, ABLE TO KNOW ALL OF THE FACTS EVEN WHEN NOT THERE,  AND CAN READ PEOPLE MINDS.
What a load of crap!!!

If I saw a 400 lb bear hanging out where my daughter plays I'd kill it too. Of coarse legally with a tag in one hand and a stick and string in the other.

Well, I doubt it's legal to shoot a bow there either.  If he really did shoot the bear because he was protecting his family, then using a firearm probably was not out of line.........

[Hunterman]

With just what the news report has printed, then no I would not have shot this bear.. Now,, we do not know if the person was just coming home from work, or from visiting at someones home and surprised this bear, and the bear surprised him.. Or was the bear trying to break into his home, and he shot from inside his house..Did he use a handgun or a rifle??  WHo knows..Infact we know NOTHING about this story, except what was printed in the news artical..

Hunterman(Tony)

[Ryan308]

I never said all knowing and whatever else you read into it GrizzlyAdams.  I read the story and watched the story just like everyone else did and this is the second time its happened with this person. How do you know his kids play in the dark? I never heard why he shot in a tight housing deveoplment maybe someone did. Maybe someone all knowing etc. With a tag, stick and string you would still be f-ed its in city limits. Whoops.

[grizzlyadams]

I know that fine officer and I believe him. He's seen enough in years of service to know. I think this guy is trigger happy and just stupid for shooting in Snoqualmie Ridge those house are 6 ft apart at best. Go inside and put your guns for sale here so responsible people can buy them.

The problem with this statement is that it is highly judgemental.

1. You believe this LEO because you know him and his years of service. (does this mean someone can't be incorrect?)

2. You think the guy is trigger happy and stupid for shooting the bear. (by your own admission you don't know all of the facts so what makes you qualified to judge him in any way?)

3. You say go inside and put your guns for sale so someone responsible can buy them. (again you're judging this mans responsiblity level whithout knowing the whole story. As a Dad, father, husband ect... I would say he acted very responsibly, by killing a 400 lb bear wandering through the neighborhood, but I suppose you would have the bear kill a child first before action is taken.)

Oh and as for shooting archery equipment within the Snoqualmie city limits, if it is illegal which I am sure that it is I guess that would be one of the times breaking a rediculous law would be ok with me to protect my kids.

and yes the word (as you spell it) whoops, would actually be spelled out as ooops.   

I don't know if the guy was right or wrong in what he did, but I surely wouldn't judge him one way or the other. This topic was supposed to be about would we do it, not throwing the guy under the bus.

[Ryan308]

Oh my. Judgemental is right. The question was would you. I would not shoot at night in a housing devlopment. Does anyone know the stats of blackbear attacks for Washington St? I would guess not real high.

[Curly]

Oh my. Judgemental is right. The question was would you. I would not shoot at night in a housing devlopment. Does anyone know the stats of blackbear attacks for Washington St? I would guess not real high.

I don't think he shot at night.......at least I doubt it.  The story says a neighbor was woken by gunshots but I'm assuming it was just early morning after or shortly before sunrise.  But I don't know; the story has such little amount of detail, it is hard to judge anything by the story.  I just find it unlikely that a guy could put several rounds into a bear at night............

[Ryan308]

SnoValleystar.com reported 11:45 at night. I feel pissy about this beacause my mom lives just right there and my kids stay the night. I never worried about game attacking them but a handgun in the dark at a dark object I do.

[grizzlyadams]

For all of you jumping to conclusions about the shooter and questioning his actions. This is a quote from someone that knows the shooter and the circumstances behind his reasons for killing the bear....


"So I personally know the person who shot the bear. He feels horrible for shooting it. He didnt want to. He was scared for his life. He has a permit to carry and he always carries a gun outside because of past run ins with bears. One lunged at his dogs, thats why he fired last year. One lunged at his pregnant wife on their porch last December. They contacted the police, and the home owners assoc in an attempt to get the bears removed so something like this wouldnt happened. He was outside getting the mail. He was outside at night because he works nights. People need to think before they comment. Hes not a punk, or an animal hater. Have a bear come at you and then you can talk. He wishes this never would have happened. So maybe the people who are on here calling names should take a hard look at themselves. You dont see him on here degrading other people."

Can't blame the guy a bit and I would do the same....so good for him. It sounds like inaction by the proper authorities is the real reason behind the shooting.

As for a reply to ryan308. I think you can rest comfortably. Sounds like the shooter was responsible and skilled enough to hit his mark in the dark. As a responsible gun owner protecting his family, it sure sounds to me like he did everything right.

[Curly]

Too bad the news article didn't have a few more details.  Like it being at night with a handgun and self defense.  The article was really a bad piece of journalism.  Glad we now have more info and I wish the shooter the best of luck; sounds like he was within the law and protecting himself and his family.