Trial season starts tomorrow!!!

[jetjockey]

Now you have to define competitive.  And that's what you don't seem to understand.  Is competitive a dog who competes in 30 minute weekend GD trials against weekend warriors and occasionally gets a placement, or is it a Gun Dog that competes in weekend trials and also has what it takes to compete in 1 hr GD championships.  How about a weekend AA Dog?  How about a true All Age championship caliber 1+ hour dog?  How about an AKC AA dog vs an AF AA dog?  Any one of the above dogs could be an FC, yet thy are all very different dogs.  Theres Field Champions, and then there's Field Champions......   And then theres American Field Champions.  Do you know the difference Happy?

[Happy Gilmore]

Honestly, speaking for WIld and I, it's pretty fun to get you all wound up

[jetjockey]

You honestly don't get my riled up.  I love hearing you make stupid remarks about trials that you know nothing about.  How many pointing dog trials have you been to again?   Didn't you say it was one?  One entire trial?  Wow.  Your a Pro!  Did you ever figure out the difference between AKC and AF?  ........That one was hilarious.  Btw...  I'm still waiting for Wild to explain this "Brittany palooza" thing he's mentioned several times.   Something's tells me im going to be waiting awhile! 

[Dhoey07]

100 wild birds in a month and a half 

[jetjockey]

I live in GA, quail season runs from Nov 12-Feb 29.  Daily limit of 12 birds.  Thats why I laughed at Wild's comment, because he has no idea about bird hunting and season dates in the south.  With that said, I will do a couple released bird hunts..... 

JUst an FYI.  We also have a 12 deer limit for our deer season as well.  Season starts around Sept 1st and runs through January 15th.  You can hunt Bow, muzzle, and Modern without having to chose.   Hell, we need to kill more of the dam things. Come on down, an out of state license is only $50 I think.  You can kill all the deer you want in my neighborhood.  Things work a little different down here.  :-)

[Happy Gilmore]

I've only been to one AKC trial. I do retrievers in case you forget. And yes, there was an AF event held at my house not to long ago. I think they had 8 dogs run it? I saw some horses pull in and park in the back field. THey were gone by the time I ate lunch and I had other things on the burner.

Why would I care about AF when the events here are so un-attended? The AKC field trial in Sunnyside had at least 100 dogs entered.

[GrousePointer]

Really wish there was something akin to Coverdog trials out here.

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[jetjockey]

Really wish there was something akin to Coverdog trials out here.

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Now your really gonna mess Happy up.  We're still tryin to teach him the difference between Gun Dogs, Shooting Dogs, All Age Dogs, and the difference between weekend trials and championships, and the difference between AKC and AF.............. 
Then you have to go throw cover dog trials in the equation!  ;-).    That's one venue I haven't seen but would love to.  There's a couple up in PA near where we pheasant hunt every year.  Or those typically AF or AKC sanctioned?

[wildweeds]

There sure as well could be,just need to start a "club" download the rulebook,secure some grounds that sports a decent population of unhunted/lightly hunted birds,lay out some courses to get 30 minute qualifier weekend trials ran on,expand on those courses to allow for a 1 hour course,start a 1 hour classic trial and in 5 years of running classics you can hold a CH title trial.Your vision could very well become reality,the walking trial stakes are becoming pretty popular again as they are cheaper to endeavor in because of the high costs associated with horses and getting them from point A to point B.It would be a huge project  to take on and get going.

Really wish there was something akin to Coverdog trials out here.

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[jetjockey]

I don't think there is anywhere in the PNW that holds the numbers of grouse required to run cover dog trials.  And typically, I think cover dog trials are ran on only wild birds.  It's primarily and upper Midwest and upper east coast game. But then again like I said, I don't know much about them, or even who sanctions them.   Hopefully Grouse pointer will fill us in.

[GrousePointer]

I'm by no means a field trial expert. I just hunted over some friends' dogs in Michigan that were coverdog Pointers and really liked what I saw.

What I can say is the events are run on ruffed grouse and woodcock and if my memory is serving me correctly I believe they are AF sanctioned trials. The only horses in sight at the events are the ones the judges ride.The game is really more about style and how the dog reads cover, or rather application. It is possible for a dog to come up with no birds and win in other words. Sometimes there are no birds to point.

Horseback blood is not uncommon in the dogs, but they're trained to handle as foot hunting dogs in the woods. As an example, HiFive's Rock Solid is out of Elhew Sinbad, a dog that has made some appearances at Ames.

If that game existed out here I'd consider getting into it with a dog (not with my current string however).

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[jetjockey]

Thanks Grouse.  That's about what I remember. The AF designation makes sense now as well.  I talked to a guy in PA who had a llewellin and ran cover dog trials.  Makes sense since Llewellen's aren't recognized by AKC.  I also remember him being a hard core wild grouse guy and thought he mentioned something about the trials only being run on wild birds.  It would never work back home in WA.  I have a standing offer through my father in law to hunt the UP for grouse.  He has a buddy who knows of some great public land, but if I went up there and told anyone about it I'd get shot.  Thing is, I'm pretty sure his buddy wasn't kidding.  You grouse guys are probably the hardest core upland hunters there is.  If I can ever make time, I'm gonna do it. 

[wildweeds]

LLews are nothing special they are an English setter and if you have a llew it can be registered in the AKC as what it is....................English setter.

Thanks Grouse.  That's about what I remember. The AF designation makes sense now as well.  I talked to a guy in PA who had a llewellin and ran cover dog trials.  Makes sense since Llewellen's aren't recognized by AKC.  I also remember him being a hard core wild grouse guy and thought he mentioned something about the trials only being run on wild birds.  It would never work back home in WA.  I have a standing offer through my father in law to hunt the UP for grouse.  He has a buddy who knows of some great public land, but if I went up there and told anyone about it I'd get shot.  Thing is, I'm pretty sure his buddy wasn't kidding.  You grouse guys are probably the hardest core upland hunters there is.  If I can ever make time, I'm gonna do it.

[jetjockey]

I'm well aware of that, my father in laws Llew is probably sitting under his desk right now.  But the AKC doesn't recognize the Llewellin strain, FDSB does.  Besides, what's the point of registering a setter with AKC anyways when the real setters run AF?

[wildweeds]

Beats me.I myself would never have a llew................. to much inbreeding ,100 years of brother/sister breeding nets lots of junk.

I'm well aware of that, my father in laws Llew is probably sitting under his desk right now.  But the AKC doesn't recognize the Llewellin strain, FDSB does.  Besides, what's the point of registering a setter with AKC anyways when the real setters run AF?