Are electronic decoys legal now?

[NW-GSP]

I was at cabelas and saw some but thought they were still illegal?

[rtspring]

Illegal..

[KopperBuck]

Yup. National chain, doesn't matter to them.

[CP]

They are illegal.  Cabelas needs to get a clue.

[KopperBuck]

Yup as in they are illegal.

[Kola16]

I think it is funny when I see stuff in Cabela's that we can't even use 

[NW-GSP]

You would think they would want the shelve space to put stuff that people will buy. Wonder how many guys buy the electric ones not knowing they are illegal

[bobcat]

Cabelas has lots of muzzleloaders in stock at the Lacey store that aren't legal in Washington. Makes no sense.   

[Bob33]

Some may wish to purchase items in Washington to use out of state where laws are different.  If I were going on a muzzleloader hunt in Wyoming, I wouldn't want to wait until the day I got to Wyoming to buy it.

(Electronic decoys are legal in 47 of the 50 states.)

[Ned]

Cabelas has a LOT of customers from British Columbia and out of state.
They sell the hell out of stuff not legal here but legal in the state the customers are from.
They have a clue

[jgoetz]

This was a hot button issue when the Tulalip Cabela's opened.  Apparently when they open a store corprate sends X,Y, and Z to each store for initial stocking of the shelves.  Not realizing electronic decoys were illegal here that is what happened.  My guess is that yes people buy them for out of state hunting but that they may have some left over from opening as well.

But yes, still illegal.  I believe the argument once again came down to fair chase. 

Also, there are parts of Washington that you can use electronic decoys.  Most notably some reservation lands.  I beleive they are allowed on Yakima Reservation.  Someone correct me if I am wrong on that though.

[billythekidrock]

Cabelas has lots of muzzleloaders in stock at the Lacey store that aren't legal in Washington. Makes no sense.   

Are they legal during modern season in Washington?

[bobcat]

Cabelas has lots of muzzleloaders in stock at the Lacey store that aren't legal in Washington. Makes no sense.   

Are they legal during modern season in Washington?

Sure, but still I wouldn't think they would sell very many for that purpose.

[Stickerbush]

Cabelas is kinda getting on my nerves, I was just in there with a 50 dollar gift card in my pocket. Didnt even buy anything, everything just too damn expensive and they didnt have what I want. Last time I was in there the knowledge of some of the salesman was very questionable too

[frognson]

You can use electronic decoys on a Indian land

[Ned]

You can use electronic decoys on a Indian land

On the Yakima res you can.

[ghosthunter]

Six years ago a handicap hunter I know bought a muzzy at Walmart in Mount Vernon. The darn thing was not legal in this state. He tried to take it back and they wouldnt do it because it was a firearm. He asked the guy if it was legal and that he wanted to hunt this state. Oh ya the guy said.
He called me up because I manage a big C store to ask me what he should do. I called the Manager and he told me the same thing no refund. I called the mother ship and made a big deal about Walmart taking advantage of a disabled hunter.
Next day he got a call from the same manager telling him to bring it back and the would refund his money.

It is tough on the guys who go in blind not knowing really whats up.

[marlin]

Why cant people just read the regulations and find out what is legal for themselves.. Read the hunting and fishing regs, read the rcw's, read the federal laws.. Instead of getting mad that Cabela's sells lumenok's, mechanical broadheads, modern muzzleloader's, rifles and handguns in calibers that arent legal to hunt with, etc. Here's an idea about the modern muzzleloader thing, Felons can purchase them, because by federal law, they are NOT considered a firearm.. So if a felon wants to hunt in modern firearm season, thats how they would do it.. Or, someone might just want to buy one just because they can.. I have guns that are for hunting, and I also have guns that are just for fun. Just saying.
 I just feel like people need to know how to find these things out, go to wdfw website, or read the printed version. Like if you carry a concealed pistol, you should inform yourself of the RCW's and what is and isnt legal.. If youre going hunting.. Same thing applies, learn the laws.

[bobcat]

Here's an idea about the modern muzzleloader thing, Felons can purchase them, because by federal law, they are NOT considered a firearm.. So if a felon wants to hunt in modern firearm season, thats how they would do it

Not true.

While they may not be defined as a firearm by federal law, they ARE a firearm by state law. Felons can only hunt with archery equipment. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.

[Bob33]

Here's an idea about the modern muzzleloader thing, Felons can purchase them, because by federal law, they are NOT considered a firearm.. So if a felon wants to hunt in modern firearm season, thats how they would do it

Not true.

While they may not be defined as a firearm by federal law, they ARE a firearm by state law. Felons can only hunt with archery equipment. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.

I agree that someone restricted from handling firearms cannot handle a muzzeloader. A case can be made that federal law also considers them to be firearms:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

(3)The term “firearm” means
(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
 

[Oldguy]

This was a hot button issue when the Tulalip Cabela's opened.  Apparently when they open a store corprate sends X,Y, and Z to each store for initial stocking of the shelves.  Not realizing electronic decoys were illegal here that is what happened.  My guess is that yes people buy them for out of state hunting but that they may have some left over from opening as well.

Do you suppose that Cabela's might have noted that there were a lot of Canadian customers purchasing electronic decoys at the Lacey store and figured that Tulalip store being closer to the border might sell a few also?

[doublenasty]

They are illegal the only thing I'm reading is you can use electronic coyote calls and decoys in wa!! Nowhere does It say duck decoys and calls!!!!!!


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[pianoman9701]

They are illegal the only thing I'm reading is you can use electronic coyote calls and decoys in wa!! Nowhere does It say duck decoys and calls!!!!!!


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This is pretty clear:

Decoy Restrictions
IT IS UNLAWFUL TO:
• Place waterfowl decoys prior to
4:00 a.m.; allow or permit waterfowl
decoys to be unattended or not in
your immediate control for a period
greater than one hour; or fail to remove
waterfowl decoys within two hours after
the close of established daily hunting
hours on days open to waterfowl
hunting on department owned or
controlled lands, waters, or access areas.
• Place waterfowl decoys on lands or
waters controlled by WDFW except as
authorized by permit of the director, on
days closed to waterfowl hunting on
department owned or controlled lands,
waters, or access areas.
• Hunt waterfowl or wild turkeys using
live birds as decoys.
• Hunt waterfowl, turkey, or deer with the
use or aid of battery-powered or other
electronic devices as decoys.

[Atroxus]

Cabelas also sells illuminoks, and mechanical broadheads here...like someone else said they are a national chain, it's up to us to know which of their products will get us fined/arrested.

[pianoman9701]

Why cant people just read the regulations and find out what is legal for themselves.. Read the hunting and fishing regs, read the rcw's, read the federal laws.. Instead of getting mad that Cabela's sells lumenok's, mechanical broadheads, modern muzzleloader's, rifles and handguns in calibers that arent legal to hunt with, etc. Here's an idea about the modern muzzleloader thing, Felons can purchase them, because by federal law, they are NOT considered a firearm.. So if a felon wants to hunt in modern firearm season, thats how they would do it.. Or, someone might just want to buy one just because they can.. I have guns that are for hunting, and I also have guns that are just for fun. Just saying.
 I just feel like people need to know how to find these things out, go to wdfw website, or read the printed version. Like if you carry a concealed pistol, you should inform yourself of the RCW's and what is and isnt legal.. If youre going hunting.. Same thing applies, learn the laws.

You may be right, but in the time it took you to put him down for asking, you could've answered or even supplied a link to the answer on the WDFW page. Is it really all that inconvenient for us to lead a guy in the right direction? No, it isn't.

[Bob33]

Why cant people just read the regulations and find out what is legal for themselves.. Read the hunting and fishing regs, read the rcw's, read the federal laws.. Instead of getting mad that Cabela's sells lumenok's, mechanical broadheads, modern muzzleloader's, rifles and handguns in calibers that arent legal to hunt with, etc. Here's an idea about the modern muzzleloader thing, Felons can purchase them, because by federal law, they are NOT considered a firearm.. So if a felon wants to hunt in modern firearm season, thats how they would do it.. Or, someone might just want to buy one just because they can.. I have guns that are for hunting, and I also have guns that are just for fun. Just saying.
 I just feel like people need to know how to find these things out, go to wdfw website, or read the printed version. Like if you carry a concealed pistol, you should inform yourself of the RCW's and what is and isnt legal.. If youre going hunting.. Same thing applies, learn the laws.

You may be right, but in the time it took you to put him down for asking, you could've answered or even supplied a link to the answer on the WDFW page. Is it really all that inconvenient for us to lead a guy in the right direction? No, it isn't.

The statement about muzzleloaders is not correct. In Washington they are considered firearms.

[JLS]

I can buy a car that goes well over a 100 mph, but you show me where in the US I can legally drive that fast.  Pretty disingenous to blame it on retailers if they carry a product that you cannot legally use in this state.

Piano,

I like to help people out every chance I get, but it sure gets frustrating and old when people just get on here and ask about regulations instead of trying to find the answer for themselves FIRST!  I don't just give my kids the answer to their homework, I make them figure it out and then make sure they did it correctly.

[TheHunt]

Cabelas has a standard load from any store.  It gets loaded with products like any store.  It is up to the consumer to know if it is legal or not.  I guess if you cannot read or cannot read English you can claim to be a ignorant in court and get it thrown out.

[JLS]

Here's an idea about the modern muzzleloader thing, Felons can purchase them, because by federal law, they are NOT considered a firearm.. So if a felon wants to hunt in modern firearm season, thats how they would do it

Not true.

While they may not be defined as a firearm by federal law, they ARE a firearm by state law. Felons can only hunt with archery equipment. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.

Felons also have the option of keeping out of trouble so they can petition to get their firearms rights reinstated.

[Bob33]

I can buy a car that goes well over a 100 mph, but you show me where in the US I can legally drive that fast.  Pretty disingenous to blame it on retailers if they carry a product that you cannot legally use in this state.

Piano,

I like to help people out every chance I get, but it sure gets frustrating and old when people just get on here and ask about regulations instead of trying to find the answer for themselves FIRST!  I don't just give my kids the answer to their homework, I make them figure it out and then make sure they did it correctly.

I agree. If someone has done something to try and get the answer first, they're more likely to get help. Regulations can be complicated and confusing, but many are straightforward.

[NW-GSP]

I was aware that in the past they were illegal, I was asking cause the law might have changed and I had not heard about it. I read the regs but laws change even after the regs get printed

[pianoman9701]

I can buy a car that goes well over a 100 mph, but you show me where in the US I can legally drive that fast.  Pretty disingenous to blame it on retailers if they carry a product that you cannot legally use in this state.

Piano,

I like to help people out every chance I get, but it sure gets frustrating and old when people just get on here and ask about regulations instead of trying to find the answer for themselves FIRST!  I don't just give my kids the answer to their homework, I make them figure it out and then make sure they did it correctly.

I understand, but these aren't your kids and we're not here to teach people how to behave, or at least we shouldn't be. If you don't want to help, don't. It's a waste of everyone's time, including yours, to stop just to rag someone out. There are plenty of people who don't mind. Sometimes people just ask to get some interaction with others.

[JLS]

I understand, but these aren't your kids and we're not here to teach people how to behave, or at least we shouldn't be. If you don't want to help, don't. It's a waste of everyone's time, including yours, to stop just to rag someone out. There are plenty of people who don't mind. Sometimes people just ask to get some interaction with others.

Helping others understand how to look things up in the regs for themselves is a behavior modification.  I feel it is important that people know how to find things for themselves.  So, yes I am trying to teach people a behavior in a sense.  It may very well save them a ticket at some point in time.  Sorry you feel that is wrong.

[pianoman9701]

OK, I'm not arguing any more about whether or not to help someone with a simple question. Just tell them to go screw themselves from now on and that ought to take care of it.

[Kola16]

The season is so soon. Let's wait a little longer to kill ducks rather then killing each other 

[doublenasty]

Wa is 1 of 3 states that do not allow use of electronic calls for waterfowl and hopefully (fingers crossed) next year we can use at least electronic decoys! It would be nice to use a wind decoy when there is no wind!

An cabelas is a store for the rich an I agree I have always questioned there answers and knowledge!! Sometimes I wonder where they get these people!!!!


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[Dustin07]

Cabelas was a cool gimmick at first but I've been in there too many time to go back. between the sales staff that don't know what they're doing, the product that you can't legally use in the state, and the expensive prices, I see no reason to drive that far.  I've done much better at Sportsmans with a similar (sometimes better) selection.

[NW-GSP]

I guess I havent had the issues that you have had at cabelas, Ya some of the prices are high but shop the sales. The big thing for me is the warranty that comes with the cabelas brand products