Garmin will corner the entire hunting GPS market within 5 Years

[Bob33]

I think the other factor that Garmin and everyone else is competing against are smartphones. Nearly all the newer models have GPS functionality built it, and with all the new apps flooding the market you're seeing more and more users toss the dedicated GPS in a drawer and using their iPhone to navigate.  The issue I see with that is durability.  An iPhone (or Android or Windows or ....) is great, but not built to the same durable standards as the dedicated GPS models.

[pianoman9701]

I think the other factor that Garmin and everyone else is competing against are smartphones. Nearly all the newer models have GPS functionality built it, and with all the new apps flooding the market you're seeing more and more users toss the dedicated GPS in a drawer and using their iPhone to navigate.  The issue I see with that is durability.  An iPhone (or Android or Windows or ....) is great, but not built to the same durable standards as the dedicated GPS models.

Well, they don't use satellites. When you're out of cell range, the GPS stops working. We tried up in the woods with the newest, the 4S. Nothing.

[Bob33]

Mine does (have a GPS chip), and most of them do now.

Check out the satellite page images with this one, for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mictale.gpsessentials&hl=en

[pianoman9701]

Mine does (have a GPS chip), and most of them do now.

Check out the satellite page images with this one, for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mictale.gpsessentials&hl=en

Well, la-de-da, Mr Technology!  . That's cool. I didn't know it was available.

[Bob33]

I believe the iPhone has had a dedicated GPS chip since iPhone 3.  Here's some info on the iPhone 4 chip:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/9

GPS
 
The iPhone 4 previously used a BCM4750 single chip GPS receiver, and shared the 2.4 GHz WiFi antenna as shown many times in diagrams. We reported with the CDMA iPhone 4 that Qualcomm’s GPS inside MDM6600 was being used in place of some discrete solution, and showed a video demonstrating its improved GPS fix. I suspected at the time that the CDMA iPhone 4 might be using GLONASS from MDM6600 (in fact, the MDM6600 amss actually flashed onto the CDMA iPhone 4 includes many GLONASS references), but never was able to concretely confirm it was actually being used.
 
MDM6610 inside the 4S inherits the same Qualcomm GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System) Gen8 support, namely GPS and its Russian equivalent, GLONASS. The two can be used in conjunction at the same time and deliver a more reliable 3D fix onboad MDM6610, which is what the 4S does indeed appear to be using. GPS and GLONASS are functionally very similar, and combined support for GPS and GLONASS at the same time is something most modern receivers do now. There are even receivers which support the EU’s standard, Galileo, though it isn’t completed yet. This time around, Apple is being direct about its inclusion of GLONASS. The GPS inside MDM6610 fully supports standalone mode, and assisted mode from UMTS, GSM, OMA, and gpsOneXTRA.

[bobcat]

My new iPhone uses satellites. I love having the aerial photos, that is something my Garmin doesn't have.

[Special T]

I have a couple of friends that are hunting out in the middle of nowhere MT that have cell service and use thier phones to text each other while hunting. 

[pianoman9701]

I believe the iPhone has had a dedicated GPS chip since iPhone 3.  Here's some info on the iPhone 4 chip:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/9

GPS
 
The iPhone 4 previously used a BCM4750 single chip GPS receiver, and shared the 2.4 GHz WiFi antenna as shown many times in diagrams. We reported with the CDMA iPhone 4 that Qualcomm’s GPS inside MDM6600 was being used in place of some discrete solution, and showed a video demonstrating its improved GPS fix. I suspected at the time that the CDMA iPhone 4 might be using GLONASS from MDM6600 (in fact, the MDM6600 amss actually flashed onto the CDMA iPhone 4 includes many GLONASS references), but never was able to concretely confirm it was actually being used.
 
MDM6610 inside the 4S inherits the same Qualcomm GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System) Gen8 support, namely GPS and its Russian equivalent, GLONASS. The two can be used in conjunction at the same time and deliver a more reliable 3D fix onboad MDM6610, which is what the 4S does indeed appear to be using. GPS and GLONASS are functionally very similar, and combined support for GPS and GLONASS at the same time is something most modern receivers do now. There are even receivers which support the EU’s standard, Galileo, though it isn’t completed yet. This time around, Apple is being direct about its inclusion of GLONASS. The GPS inside MDM6610 fully supports standalone mode, and assisted mode from UMTS, GSM, OMA, and gpsOneXTRA.

This is interesting because I couldn't get my sportsman regs app to work in the field. I just assumed that there was no satellite link. Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll just sell my 655T after all. NOT! I like it.

[pianoman9701]

My new iPhone uses satellites. I love having the aerial photos, that is something my Garmin doesn't have.

Mine has the aerial photos and sat photos, but you have to subscribe - $30/yr

[Bob33]

I like all my Garmins include the Rinos. I just some things about some of them better. They are the industry leader and have been for quite a while.

[bobcat]

My new iPhone uses satellites. I love having the aerial photos, that is something my Garmin doesn't have.

Mine has the aerial photos and sat photos, but you have to subscribe - $30/yr

I don't subscribe to anything.   

[pianoman9701]

I like all my Garmins include the Rinos. I just some things about some of them better. They are the industry leader and have been for quite a while.

Oh no you di'int! You go and diss my toy for multiple posts and then try and play nice? I got your number, Bob!

[Bob33]

I like all my Garmins include the Rinos. I just some things about some of them better. They are the industry leader and have been for quite a while.

Oh no you di'int! You go and diss my toy for multiple posts and then try and play nice? I got your number, Bob!

I never said I hated my newer Garmins. I just said I like the older ones better for certain functions like tracking.

[wraithen]

I used my rino for a field escape/evade exercise weds night and into thursday morning. The only issue I had was I wish there was a feature to help find which map you need to use when going mgrs. I plugged in the new coordinates and instead of 3 miles north it said 30 miles south. Common sense told me I screwed up somehow but couldn't figure out which map to tell the unit to go to. Other than that it was flawless, even under triple canopy, even when I didn't believe it because my map was a teeny tiny wee bit off. (The blue dot we were looking for wasn't the spot we needed to be in. It was only 50 meters off though.)

[Bob33]

This is a pretty good forum for GPS:

http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showforum=11