Bull Shot

[stuckalot]

It is my understanding that the tribes have broad latitude to set seasons and rules, my question/frustration is why don't they set more "responsible" seasons and rules, instead of the seemingly no holds barred rules?

[igotbigbulls]

as far as the regs go this is all i can do is post what there is to follow http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/hunting%20regulations.pdf
i for one would like to see if anything to first start with some type of harvest reporting for all game not just some of the game by our tribe. it would actually be nice to see the numbers

[PlateauNDN]

bigbulls,
I for one would appreciate hearing the story, understand your position however.  I hope he shares the story someday but, I do understand if he does not want to.  Even I debated on sharing the bull I harvested last year and even when I did share the story and pics I shared it in the now "sym" board so if there were any that wanted to share their negative comments the general population wouldn't have to see it all.  It is a very nice bull

While I share many of dvolmers frustrations, I'll narrow down to one issue of great concern to me, and it is more of a safety issue than anything.

As a bowhunter, I have flinched many times hearing rifle shots too close for comfort while I'm hiding in the brush somewhere doing my best to conceal myself, while a possibly completely legal native hunter is running around the woods with his rifle shooting at the same animals I am trying to lure in close enough to shoot with a bow!

I know of one incident this year where someone was just about to draw on a spike, when someone with a rifle shot the large bull that was in the herd with them, do you suppose they knew the bow hunter was within bow range of the elk they just shot?

Is there any room for any progress on these issues or are we just going to continue to beat our heads against the wall?  in my opinion there is room but, it's going to take time.  Nothing happens over night and as long as there are those that keep pushing for change continue to do so than there is hope that things will work themselves out.

[PlateauNDN]

It is my understanding that the tribes have broad latitude to set seasons and rules, my question/frustration is why don't they set more "responsible" seasons and rules, instead of the seemingly no holds barred rules?

some tribes do have very stringent rules and regs and very few are like what you're referring to. 

[buck man]

It is my understanding that the tribes have broad latitude to set seasons and rules, my question/frustration is why don't they set more "responsible" seasons and rules, instead of the seemingly no holds barred rules?

some tribes do have very stringent rules and regs and very few are like what you're referring to.

Very true plat. Unfortunately it's not the yaks or the umatillas. The colvilles and spokanes do a good job IMHO at managing their game. Their herds are all stable or growing. We owe alot of our elk in 121 to the spokanes.
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[boneaddict]

So idk about you guys but after archery season ill go into units that arnt open for muzzeloader and call in bulls and get the on film. Well Saturday I had a bull going and ended up geting intercepted and shot by an indian with a rifle they heard him bugling while driving down the rode. Im pretty sick about the whole situation. Does anybody else call in bulls for fun? Ever had this happen?

I have actually been hunted by tribal folks several times.   There was a time in my life I actually enjoyed *censored*ing with them becasue they'd spend their evening hunting me instead of killing bulls.   I think somewhere along the way, a light came on and I realized how dangerous that was.

[PlateauNDN]

It is my understanding that the tribes have broad latitude to set seasons and rules, my question/frustration is why don't they set more "responsible" seasons and rules, instead of the seemingly no holds barred rules?

some tribes do have very stringent rules and regs and very few are like what you're referring to.

Very true plat. Unfortunately it's not the yaks or the umatillas. The colvilles and spokanes do a good job IMHO at managing their game. Their herds are all stable or growing. We owe alot of our elk in 121 to the spokanes.
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   Actually the Umatillas have a pretty good big game management rules and regs.  It's more aligned with the Colvilles on permits and harvesting then it is with ours or other area Tribes.

[PlateauNDN]

So idk about you guys but after archery season ill go into units that arnt open for muzzeloader and call in bulls and get the on film. Well Saturday I had a bull going and ended up geting intercepted and shot by an indian with a rifle they heard him bugling while driving down the rode. Im pretty sick about the whole situation. Does anybody else call in bulls for fun? Ever had this happen?

I have actually been hunted by tribal folks several times.   There was a time in my life I actually enjoyed *censored* with them becasue they'd spend their evening hunting me instead of killing bulls.   I think somewhere along the way, a light came on and I realized how dangerous that was.

I know the feeling and i've messed around with other hunters as well.  As I mentioned before the bull I harvested last year was being tracked by another hunter who was only about 50 yards behind it when I shot it and we were both lucky that he was at an angle away from my firing lane.

[mebco09]

as far as the regs go this is all i can do is post what there is to follow http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/hunting%20regulations.pdf
i for one would like to see if anything to first start with some type of harvest reporting for all game not just some of the game by our tribe. it would actually be nice to see the numbers

I hate to say it, but the Umatilla regs are pretty reasonable.   If all the tribes had regulations like that, I think the Indian bashing on this site would stop.  Who enforces tribal regs in the field?

[motcha]

We have game enforcement that patrols during seasons both fishing and hunting. 

[wannabhntr]

MtMan, you should use a spelling and grammar check prior to posting.  You sound like an uneducated redneck!

[Biggerhammer]

dont you guys rember in the history books all the indians driving around shooting elk with high powered rifles that they baught with casino money that white man gave them ? 

   In some places it would be the Asian people people gave them money and down here it's the mexican people giving us money so it differs from region-to-region.   And again, if he hadn't been bugling for fun from the road this bull would more than likely still be alive.

Hahaha! Here in Central WA the white guys give everyone else their money.

[dvolmer]

I might be reading them wrong (Umatilla Regs), but how can they be good if they allow long hunting seasons with no limits and either sex.  These things add up to extinction in my book of thinking.  when I read the limits on mule deer it said "Bucks and Does".  Never mentioned how many a guy could shoot.  Same thing with elk except I did note that during the rut you couldn't shoot branched antler bulls but before and after you can have at it with no limits.  maybe I was reading it wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

How can that be good game management?

[HairTrigger]

Man I missed out lol
 

[igotbigbulls]

ya man where u been hair? lol