Seeing up to 10 piles of this a day changed my mind forever.

[bearpaw]

You mean rich people are now afraid to pay someone, or can't, to show them where game is? Oh the horror.

This shows how much you really know about outfitting. Most of my hunters are common joes. They work at everyday jobs and save all year, sometimes for 2 or 3 years, to come hunting with us. We also provide a lot of hunters with unguided hunts for a very affordable rate. In fact there are a lot of members on this forum who have hunted with us.

I highly doubt if you are even a hunter. It is common for wolf lovers to try and pose as hunters, but when they have to talk the talk, then their true colors come out.

[NRA4LIFE]

GP,

If you claim you have hunted grouse in wolf country in the Midwest, you should obviously be aware of how many houndsman have had dogs killed by them in WI.  If you're not aware of that, you're obviously very naive. 

[GrousePointer]

You tried to say that nonresidents are killing lots of animals in Idaho, I called you out on that because I knew it was false, I am an outfitter in Idaho and I know exactly what is going on in that state because I follow all the stats, so now you don't like outfitters. Exactly what other hunters do you not like?

Wrong. I said people are hauling animals out of places like Montana and Wyoming, not Idaho, and more accurately, I said I still see plenty of pictures of people hauling big game out of states like that. That's a fact.

FYI - For the most part the majority of outfitters in Idaho hunt exclusively on public land. Your statement again shows personal bias and lacks fact, I urge you to contact IOGLB and ask how many outfitters operate on private land? In Minnesota they do not allow outfitting at all. There are hunt clubs composed of hunters like you that control lands, but there are no outfitters. Again I know this as a fact because I have spoken with their DNR about outfitting in MN.

Sorry, the only guys I tend to meet who use Outfitters tend to be business owners, doctors, lawyers...people with money. I'm sure there are some others out there who save their pennies for it too, but I think they are more the exception than the rule. All I know is part of the reason for some of the changes to the law regarding outfitters in say, Montana (see I-161), was at least in part, a direct result of land access issues.

I would be quick to point out that I find it highly unlikely you were bird hunting in wolf country, wolves are not prevelent in the areas that are normally upland bird strongholds. I know a lot of guys who have run hounds in actual wolf country.

Really?

You would be quite wrong there. The upper peninsula of Michigan is considered one of the premier places in the country to hunt Grouse and woodcock in. It is also home to wolves. The same could be said for Minnesota as well as Wisconsin. Wolves are now hunted there, but that hasn't been the case in recent years.

Regarding your hound hunters, nice try. But most all of the cases that I'm aware of occurred during denning season when wolves are least tolerant of other canines or any other threat for that matter.

I will attach a photo of an Idaho elk in wolf country, then a Methow Washington mule deer in wolf country, then an Oregon cow in wolf country, then a Minnesota backyard pet in wolf country, then a Montana lamb in wolf country, then hounds that hunted in wolf country. Then you tell me how we are over reacting?

Minnesota? Wait, you just told me they aren't prevalent in an upland bird hunting stronghold.

Are you trying to tell me death by a mountain lion or bear is better?

You like facts, so here are some good ones. More dogs die from sticks, bear, coyotes, cougars, traps, porcupine quills, cars, and just about anything in the universe than wolves in the lower 48. Will that change? Maybe, but I'm not sweating it nor am I sweating the impact on big game because the two coexisted for centuries before and they will again. But you might have to HUNT a little harder and smarter to get them and we'll have to manage wolves via hunting too.

[GrousePointer]

GP,

If you claim you have hunted grouse in wolf country in the Midwest, you should obviously be aware of how many houndsman have had dogs killed by them in WI.  If you're not aware of that, you're obviously very naive.

Naive is running a hunting dog of any sort in the woods and thinking nothing bad could happen or that the woods are some safe playground or dog park. I'll bet cold cash that more bird dogs die every year from snake bites than hounds from wolf attacks.

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[npaull]

Not sure where I come down on this whole issue, my thoughts are sort of mixed and in between the positions being presented here.

One thing I'd add just for consideration - I DO think that the changes in cougar hunting regulations (ie no dogs) have started to have an effect on deer populations and/or behavior in some regions (like the ones I hunt). Part of me wonders whether a rising cougar population has more to do with declining ungulates than is generally recognized, because the whole wolf issue started to become more front-line as cougar populations are growing. I think it's very unlikely there are wolves in the spots I hunt, but I think I am seeing more and more cougar scat.

Anyway something to think about. Rather than focus exclusively on wolves, I'd much rather see a focused effort to get hound hunting reinstated for cougar in this state.

[waterdoctor]

@GrousePointer, on the night of July 20th the wolves were in our drive way yapping and howling at my Airedale here in the Wedge.  These bad boys are not afraid of people here.   They did not leave even after my wife yelled at them.
My neighbors have each lost a dog in the past year and a guy I have met had his dog killed in his yard.  This all was concurrent with the wolves showing up at our place last year.  No one thought that it might be the wolves but I know if my Airedale had not been sleeping in the house that night he too would have been MIA.  I have hunted cougar with him In Nevada and he chases the bears away from the house all the time, he is not a lap dog.  We are afraid to leave him in the kennel at night now. 

[Kowsrule30]

I see somebody else not lasting long.....     

[NRA4LIFE]

Funny how on these wolf threads there's always one $hit disturber who has just registered in the last month or so with a large percentqage of their posts on wolf topics.    Hmmmmmm.

[DoubleJ]

Funny how on these wolf threads there's always one $hit disturber who has just registered in the last month or so with a large percentqage of their posts on wolf topics.    Hmmmmmm.

They're so sneaky aren't they?

[NRA4LIFE]

Indeed.

[bearpaw]

I think it's just another wolf lover posing as a hunter. If you read the comments the truth shows. Maybe it's one of the wolf lovers from the WDFW facebook page, they were talking on there about the forum. It's obvious this person loaths wolf hunting, hound hunting, outfitters, and anybody who spent the time in college to earn a respectable wage.

I know some guys personally who have had their hounds eaten by wolves and my son had wolves follow him and his dogs out of the woods after dark howling at them as they walked, scared the dickens out of him and his dogs.

There is at least one member on this forum who also feared for their life just last fall in a confrontation with wolves when the wolves followed that person off the mountain here in WA. It is just a matter of time until wolves attack a human in the Pacific Northwest. The wolf lovers will rejoice when that happens.

GP, I still say you are wolf lover posing as a hunter, your true colors shine through too easily.   

[NRA4LIFE]

OK, I'll say it.  Holy Humanure Batman.

[Kowsrule30]

OK, I'll say it.  Holy Humanure Batman.

Humanure wrote diffrently and worded them different as well.... Hard to hide that....

[GrousePointer]

WOW

I think I wet myself laughing while I read that faster than you guys would at the sight of a wolf.

For one, I fully support the reintroduction of hound hunting in our state. For another, I've said I support hunting wolves, though I will admit I think poaching is not a smart idea. Bearpaw you're a regular Einstein and obviously a great conspiracy theorist.

If you're down to accusing a fellow hunter with a differing viewpoint on an issue of being an animal rights activist it probably means I'm cutting into your heartfelt beliefs.

Grow some thicker skin and come up with some better arguments to support your case.

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[Kola16]

For another, I've said I support hunting wolves,

The last one said he would shoot off the whole pack. That doesn't matter.