How many people have 20+ plus points?

[bobcat]

I have 20 points in the Any Moose category. I've been drawn for everything else except mountain goat, since I've never applied for that. Should've had 21 moose points but somehow I missed a point one year. The first time I applied for it was, I believe, around 1993 or 1994, before the point system started.

[Ridgeratt]

I have 20 points in the Any Moose category. I've been drawn for everything else except mountain goat, since I've never applied for that. Should've had 21 moose points but somehow I missed a point one year. The first time I applied for it was, I believe, around 1993 or 1994, before the point system started.

I believe last year you thought you had a lock on a Moose tag. But like the rest of the folks it didn't pan out. This year you got a carrot .

[bobcat]

I have 20 points in the Any Moose category. I've been drawn for everything else except mountain goat, since I've never applied for that. Should've had 21 moose points but somehow I missed a point one year. The first time I applied for it was, I believe, around 1993 or 1994, before the point system started.

I believe last year you thought you had a lock on a Moose tag. But like the rest of the folks it didn't pan out. This year you got a carrot .

   You remember how I was so very optimistic last year? Yeah, well not so much this year. I'm counting on NEVER drawing that moose tag. I figure I used up my luck on the sheep tag. So instead of feeling sorry for myself, my plan is to hunt Wyoming every year for the rest of my life. Who needs Washington?

[WSU]

I have to admit it irritates the crap out of me when I see guys draw high quality tags with very low points, that's just the selfish side of me.  Ive erased this response 3 times already so I don't look like a total D bag.  21 years of waiting just wears on you, soon to be 22 long years.  I wish they had the quality tags only available to guys with 8 or more points.  I will be happy for you guys but not till after my time of utter disappointment passes.    21 elk, 12 deer and 18 in all the OIL tags---zero draw.

I'm glad people with few points draw. I worry my kids have such poor odds of drawing once they start putting in. The next generation gets screwed in this deal....

[Falcon]

I was pulling for you this year Trophyhunt! I thought for sure you were going to get one of those primo tags. Dang it!


 

[724wd]

Very nice he deserves that....

Deserves?  DESERVES?!  WHY?  It's a danged LOTTERY!!!  No one owes you a darned thing!

[Matth]

I have 10 across the board, and can admit that i get excited about the draw and what i mite get, but when i see not selected every year i'm not depressed or bent because i realize that it is a lottery and my time will come, or not. My hunting partner drew a 49n any moose tag this year with 8 points so there is a chance.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

In 2015, 426 of the 15,930 applications for Any Ram Sheep permits had 20 points or more, which was 2.7% of the total. They drew 10% of the permits (2 of 20.)

It would take just over 21 years for all the people with 20 points or more to draw an any ram sheep permit IF ALL 20 PERMITS were drawn only by the people who had 20 points or more in 2015. (21 x 20 = 420) Then look at the how many people would have 20 plus points in 19 years. By my simple addition, that total is 15,504. At 20 permits per year, It would take 775 years for all those people to draw.  Just the people with 1 point, 2262 of them, would take 113 years to all draw at 20 tags per year.

This shows what a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme the whole point system is. You get in at the beginning and you have a chance, but those who come later have less and less of a chance at EVER GETTING DRAWN IN THEIR LIFETIME. Because most people don't seem to understand basic math, the State can pass off these money grabbing schemes as a chance to greatly increase your odds of getting drawn for these once in a lifetime type hunts. (Actually, for the people with 1 point now, it's more like once in two lifetimes.)

THE ONLY WAY to increase everyone's chance at getting drawn is for there to be more tags available in the drawings. Otherwise, it's all smoke and mirrors as the State scoops up all the money from people who think they are increasing their odds by paying the state money every year, either to try to draw or just to get another point for some time in the future.

If you want something closer to a guaranteed sheep, or moose, or goat hunt, you will probably have to pay big bucks and head to Canada or Alaska. Otherwise, it's better to just concentrate on the OTC tags you can get and consider any drawing you might finally win a bonus hunt, just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

[Bob33]

In 2015, 426 of the 15,930 applications for Any Ram Sheep permits had 20 points or more, which was 2.7% of the total. They drew 10% of the permits (2 of 20.)

It would take just over 21 years for all the people with 20 points or more to draw an any ram sheep permit IF ALL 20 PERMITS were drawn only by the people who had 20 points or more in 2015. (21 x 20 = 420) Then look at the how many people would have 20 plus points in 19 years. By my simple addition, that total is 15,504. At 20 permits per year, It would take 775 years for all those people to draw.  Just the people with 1 point, 2262 of them, would take 113 years to all draw at 20 tags per year.

This shows what a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme the whole point system is. You get in at the beginning and you have a chance, but those who come later have less and less of a chance at EVER GETTING DRAWN IN THEIR LIFETIME. Because most people don't seem to understand basic math, the State can pass off these money grabbing schemes as a chance to greatly increase your odds of getting drawn for these once in a lifetime type hunts. (Actually, for the people with 1 point now, it's more like once in two lifetimes.)

THE ONLY WAY to increase everyone's chance at getting drawn is for there to be more tags available in the drawings. Otherwise, it's all smoke and mirrors as the State scoops up all the money from people who think they are increasing their odds by paying the state money every year, either to try to draw or just to get another point for some time in the future.

If you want something closer to a guaranteed sheep, or moose, or goat hunt, you will probably have to pay big bucks and head to Canada or Alaska. Otherwise, it's better to just concentrate on the OTC tags you can get and consider any drawing you might finally win a bonus hunt, just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

All true. If the state did give permits to only the highest point holders, anyone with fewer than one less than the most would have zero chance of ever drawing in his lifetime.  A new hunter with half a brain would never start. Application revenues would drop. The state would make it up by charging hunters more in other areas.

[bearpaw]

In 2015, 426 of the 15,930 applications for Any Ram Sheep permits had 20 points or more, which was 2.7% of the total. They drew 10% of the permits (2 of 20.)

It would take just over 21 years for all the people with 20 points or more to draw an any ram sheep permit IF ALL 20 PERMITS were drawn only by the people who had 20 points or more in 2015. (21 x 20 = 420) Then look at the how many people would have 20 plus points in 19 years. By my simple addition, that total is 15,504. At 20 permits per year, It would take 775 years for all those people to draw.  Just the people with 1 point, 2262 of them, would take 113 years to all draw at 20 tags per year.

This shows what a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme the whole point system is. You get in at the beginning and you have a chance, but those who come later have less and less of a chance at EVER GETTING DRAWN IN THEIR LIFETIME. Because most people don't seem to understand basic math, the State can pass off these money grabbing schemes as a chance to greatly increase your odds of getting drawn for these once in a lifetime type hunts. (Actually, for the people with 1 point now, it's more like once in two lifetimes.)

THE ONLY WAY to increase everyone's chance at getting drawn is for there to be more tags available in the drawings. Otherwise, it's all smoke and mirrors as the State scoops up all the money from people who think they are increasing their odds by paying the state money every year, either to try to draw or just to get another point for some time in the future.

If you want something closer to a guaranteed sheep, or moose, or goat hunt, you will probably have to pay big bucks and head to Canada or Alaska. Otherwise, it's better to just concentrate on the OTC tags you can get and consider any drawing you might finally win a bonus hunt, just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

All true. If the state did give permits to only the highest point holders, anyone with fewer than one less than the most would have zero chance of ever drawing in his lifetime.  A new hunter with half a brain would never start. Application revenues would drop. The state would make it up by charging hunters more in other areas.

  totally agree, additionally most who have paid into the system don't want to lose their points, so we are stuck with this system we have, good luck to all in future draws

[NoBark]

AND, those who have drawn more than one of the OIL tags (since current system went into effect) really should be thanking their lucky stars because many of us who have been trying for 20 years haven't drawn any!

[Miles]

We're never stuck in this system.  It can be changed, you just have to piss a few folks off and move on...