Wolves kill another cow, Smackout Pack suspected

[boneaddict]

VERY sound reasonable question.   



Phool raises a really good point also.   

[CAMPMEAT]

We didn't see any kind of  " wolf type of activity " until maybe 5-6 years ago. I meant scat or possble sightings. Kinda strange dontcha think ??

[WAcoyotehunter]

I don't think it's all that strange.  North ID and Northwest MT started establishing packs then wolves dispersed to obvious locations.  Wolves have been trying to get established for some time here, now there are enough dispersed animals that they can find mates, territory and prey.  It seems really logical to me. 

Presumably some of you are still figuring they were planted?  I don't believe that to be the case.

[WAcoyotehunter]

No one is sure how this animal died either, which sucks.  Its very tough to tell on an old carcass... I really think the WDFW would be honest if they thought it was a wolf kill, but there's not much evidence one way or another.

[Curly]

I don't think it's all that strange.  North ID and Northwest MT started establishing packs then wolves dispersed to obvious locations.  Wolves have been trying to get established for some time here, now there are enough dispersed animals that they can find mates, territory and prey.  It seems really logical to me. 

Presumably some of you are still figuring they were planted?  I don't believe that to be the case.

 

Also, BC Canada is having more trouble with wolves now..........likely due to ID and MT wolf recovery.  I wonder if Canada could put some pressure on the State to do a better job of controlling the wolves? 

[pianoman9701]

No one is sure how this animal died either, which sucks.  Its very tough to tell on an old carcass... I really think the WDFW would be honest if they thought it was a wolf kill, but there's not much evidence one way or another.

Although I agree with you about the transplanting, I disagree we can entirely trust them to tell the truth on carcasses, especially if they have any doubt whatsoever. We've already seen that the wedge pack wasn't being blamed for kills until late in the game.

[bearpaw]

We have seen occasional wolf tracks since the late 80's early 90's in more remote areas. There has been occasional wolves, lynx, and wolverine here in the NE. The difference is that there are far more wolves now, they are staying here, and they are breeding rapidly. I suspect that tracks we saw years ago were transients out of B.C. moving around like the Oregon wolf that went to California or the Cascades wolf that went up to B.C. and got shot.

Some of these wolves have been here longer than the WDFW has known or admitted, the problem is that nobody would believe the people who said they were here. Just like now we have more packs than WDFW says there are. By the time the 2 wolf trappers catch up with what we have now, wolves will have doubled in numbers again, so they will still be behind on the wolf count.

This same exact thing happened in ID/MT/WY and even Oregon has had packs for several years. None of the agencies in any of these states thought wolves could multiply as fast as they have. Now Idaho is full of wolves, half the wolves killed in the panhandle last year came from packs that IDFG did not know existed. Wolves have also really increased in population in southern B.C., so no wonder we now have lots of wolves, they are all around us and WA is the only place to expand into.

This is nothing but a rerun of a bad soap opera!

Washington cattlemen are just getting started with wolf predation:

B.C. Wolves cost cattlemen an estimated 15 million
http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/technology/story.html?id=7322744

[Bob33]

"The latest dead cow, commonly called a “yearling” due to its age, was part of the all-natural beef herd raised by Olsen Farms and sold at farmer’s markets throughout the state, as well as at Pike Street Market in Seattle."

Sign observed behind meat counter at local natural foods store:

"We are currently out of organic, grass feed beef.  May we suggest that you consider cattle-fed wolf as an alternative?"

[bearpaw]

Dozens of Idaho and Montana outfitters have been run completely out of business by wolves, they don't even have outfitting licenses anymore. You can check the state licensing records to verify that. I even know restaurant and other small business owners who have been pushed out of business by wolves because hunters quit going to Idaho because there is so little game left.

People in those other states are fed up and collectively taking action now, I am not kidding when I say that entire communities are hunting wolves year around and they are not bashful to tell you they are, wolves are being controlled in many areas by vigilantes and I have heard reports of more calves and fawns in some parts of central Idaho this spring.

This is not good for game management but this is what agencies including WDFW is asking for with their ridiculous wolf plans. It is just a matter of time and people will start taking action to protect what is left of their livestock and wild game herds in WA.

I made a hard stand agaist the 15 BP's because this state cannot support that many proven BP's, everything myself and others claimed is coming true and it's happening even sooner than we predicted. 

At some point this state needs to fire the wolf bios that have purposefully lied to managers about wolves. Send them walking and do it sooner than later.

[Kola16]

"The latest dead cow, commonly called a “yearling” due to its age, was part of the all-natural beef herd raised by Olsen Farms and sold at farmer’s markets throughout the state, as well as at Pike Street Market in Seattle."

Sign observed behind meat counter at local natural foods store:

"We are currently out of organic, grass feed beef.  May we suggest that you consider cattle-fed wolf as an alternative?"

Make the stupid tree-huggers eat their wolves. They might change their mind after that 

[boneaddict]

Some of these wolves have been here longer than the WDFW has known or admitted, the problem is that nobody would believe the people who said they were here.

 

Yep, they thought I was full of *censored*.

[boneaddict]

Hell, there are people on here that still think I am full of *censored*.

[bearpaw]

Hell, there are people on here that still thing I am full of *censored*.

The huggers love me! 

[pianoman9701]

Hell, there are people on here that still think I am full of *censored*.

And, several of us are quite sure of it! 

[boneaddict]

The huggers love me!

I have a feeling I am going to be real popular with them as well.

Not you too pianoman.