Bear over gut pile/carcass

[Kola16]

So I just learned this year that you could hunt bear over a gut pile. I have a deer carcass that I cut the meat off, and such. I am going to throw it out in a clear-cut, and hope that this cougar comes in, or maybe a yote. But........where I am going to throw it out holds a lot of bears so it may draw a bear out before something else. So I am wondering. Since I am moving the carcass, can I still hunt over it for bear

[carpsniperg2]

I have no idea on the laws. I would think a gutpile/carcass in the field where you shot the animal is one thing. If you take it home then take it out and place it some place with the intent of shooting a animal off it. Then it would be looked at as baiting.

[ICEMAN]

I would consider this baiting for bear, since you knowingly are placing something in an area you are fully aware has bear in it.... Not a good idea...  even posting that you would sit over the bait for a bear...  Baiting...

[Kola16]

Ya, thats what I figured. I just learned that you could shoot a bear over a gut pile this year.

I wasn't planning on hunting bear with it, but then I realized......a bear may find this before the kitty.

[ICEMAN]

So I just learned this year that you could hunt bear over a gut pile. I have a deer carcass that I cut the meat off, and such. I am going to throw it out in a clear-cut, and hope that this cougar comes in, or maybe a yote. But........where I am going to throw it out holds a lot of bears so it may draw a bear out before something else. So I am wondering. Since I am moving the carcass, can I still hunt over it for bear

[huntnnw]

this would be considered baiting if you placed it there and hunted over it. Now if you were out hunting and walked up on a dead deer/elk u can legally hunt over it and the likes of also walking up on a gutpile from someone. Now if you were to move these its no legal

[MtnMuley]

........like this nice bruin that was claiming his deer carcass last Sunday?

[jackelope]

That's a healthy looking bear.

[Kc_Kracker]

So I just learned this year that you could hunt bear over a gut pile. I have a deer carcass that I cut the meat off, and such. I am going to throw it out in a clear-cut, and hope that this cougar comes in, or maybe a yote. But........where I am going to throw it out holds a lot of bears so it may draw a bear out before something else. So I am wondering. Since I am moving the carcass, can I still hunt over it for bear

no, this question has been beat to death lately. if you see a bear, and kill it, and its over a gut pile then your good. if YOU leave a gut pile, then return and hunt over it, its baiting, and thats illegal.

[xXLojackXx]

So I just learned this year that you could hunt bear over a gut pile. I have a deer carcass that I cut the meat off, and such. I am going to throw it out in a clear-cut, and hope that this cougar comes in, or maybe a yote. But........where I am going to throw it out holds a lot of bears so it may draw a bear out before something else. So I am wondering. Since I am moving the carcass, can I still hunt over it for bear

no, this question has been beat to death lately. if you see a bear, and kill it, and its over a gut pile then your good. if YOU leave a gut pile, then return and hunt over it, its baiting, and thats illegal.

I believe you are incorrect. As long as the gut pile has not been moved it isn't considered baiting. If the pile has been strategically moved, it then becomes intended bait.

[h20hunter]

Lojack.......that sounds like a perfect explanation to me.

[Kc_Kracker]

the real answer, it depends on the guy with the badge and ticket book 

[xXLojackXx]

They (WDFW) should really do a better job defining the grey areas within the regs book. It's my impression that the regs state any activity that is considered illegal. If its unstated, I'll assume it's fair game.

[Kc_Kracker]

the "baiting" definition was changed this june, someone posted the link, and this theory is covered in there.

[RifleRidge]

the real answer, it depends on the guy with the badge and ticket book 

 ..Like we always say " tell it to the judge"....

[saylean]

the real answer, it depends on the guy with the badge and ticket book 

This seems like the answer I have ran into. I  have spoke to different wardens about this same subject, all have gave me different answers, sitting on a gutpile is baiting, isnt baiting, etc...

[longrange7mm]

........like this nice bruin that was claiming his deer carcass last Sunday?

HOLY CHIT you werent kidding that is a stud

[Kc_Kracker]

had this discussion with 2 different GW's so far, one being as soon as yesterday, both said the same thing I assumed,

-- if you shoot a bear that HAPPENS to be over or near a gut pile then its coincidental and luck
-- if you are AWARE of a gut pile and you hunt it, watch it, return to it with a gun, looking to shoot a bear,  then its 100% baiting and you will be busted.

There is your answer, its a risk not worth taking. and to be twice as clear, we have Game officers on this board, they are reading here daily just like you, keeping tabs and also because they are hunters, and I was shocked to meet one yesterday who already knew who I was, and why I was where I was heck of a cool guy too

[mdbuck5x5]

had this discussion with 2 different GW's so far, one being as soon as yesterday, both said the same thing I assumed,

-- if you shoot a bear that HAPPENS to be over or near a gut pile then its coincidental and luck
-- if you are AWARE of a gut pile and you hunt it, watch it, return to it with a gun, looking to shoot a bear,  then its 100% baiting and you will be busted.

There is your answer, its a risk not worth taking. and to be twice as clear, we have Game officers on this board, they are reading here daily just like you, keeping tabs and also because they are hunters, and I was shocked to meet one yesterday who already knew who I was, and why I was where I was heck of a cool guy too

  Not sure how they would consciously know that you were aware a gut pile was there even if you really knew it was there. Alot of speculation and assumption there and I'd say good luck trying to prove anything!

[Kc_Kracker]

the odds are against you, id say good luck proving your innocent, when was the last time someone was innocent until proven guilty, 1962? 

[lokidog]

Funny, I've been told by two wardens that it was OK to hunt over a carcass that was killed, and NOT moved other than to a good spot to gut a deer, ie. flat spot on a hillside.   

[Bob33]

the real answer, it depends on the guy with the badge and ticket book 

This seems like the answer I have ran into. I  have spoke to different wardens about this same subject, all have gave me different answers, sitting on a gutpile is baiting, isnt baiting, etc...
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I guess it is D bait able.

[bobcat]

It's legal. Really.

Even if one game warden's interpretation is that it's not legal, what are the chances that that particular warden is going to be watching you at just the moment that you pull the trigger?

Pretty astronomical odds, I'd say.

[mdbuck5x5]

It's legal. Really.

Even if one game warden's interpretation is that it's not legal, what are the chances that that particular warden is going to be watching you at just the moment that you pull the trigger?

Pretty astronomical odds, I'd say.

   Exactly!