6.5 grendel question

[Huntbear]

IF only you could get a Beowulf without waiting 3 months.. now that should be a bear killing SOB....

[Jburke]

You should seriously reconsider using the 6.5 Grendel on bear. It has less muzzle energy than the 30-30 Win.
The 6.8SPC at least has slightly more muzzle energy than a 30-30 Win.
I wouldn't consider using any of the above 3 rounds on bear.

May have lower energy at the muzzle but not for long from the stats that I have found.
 
30-30 WINCHESTER 150grain: 2390 fps / 1902 ft lbs energy
At 100 yards . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2018 fps / 1356 ft lbs energy


MODERN CARTRIDGES OUT OF A 16" BARREL: AT THE MUZZLE
6.5 Grendel 123grain: . . . . . 2480 fps / 1680 ft lbs energy
6.8 SPC 115grain: . . . . . . . . 2500 fps / 1590 ft lbs energy
6.8 SPCII Tactical 115grain. . 2575 fps / 1694 ft lbs energy
300 AAC Blackout 123 grain: 2315 fps / 1462 ft lbs energy
7.62.39 123grain: . . . . . . . . 2350 fps / 1508 ft lbs energy ***
50 BEOWULF 325grain. . . . . 1950 fps / 2745 ft lbs energy


MODERN CARTRIDGES AT 100 yards:
6.5 Grendel 123grain: . . . . . 2325 fps / 1476 ft lbs energy
6.8 SPC 115grain. . . . . . . . . 2253 fps / 1297 ft lbs energy
6.8 SPCII Tactical 115grain: . 2323 fps / 1378 ft lbs energy
300 AAC Blackout 123 grain: 1907 fps / 993 ft lbs energy
7.62x39 123 grain: . . . . . . . 2040 fps / 1136 ft lbs energy ***
50 BEOWULF 325 grain:. . . . 1490 fps / 1603 ft lbs energy

[Jburke]

http://shootersnotes.com/grendelmania/why-the-fuss-about-the-grendel/

[Jburke]

You should seriously reconsider using the 6.5 Grendel on bear. It has less muzzle energy than the 30-30 Win.
The 6.8SPC at least has slightly more muzzle energy than a 30-30 Win.
I wouldn't consider using any of the above 3 rounds on bear.

Also if this is the case what caliber in the AR-15 platform would you recomend for it?

[Jim the Plumber]

You should seriously reconsider using the 6.5 Grendel on bear. It has less muzzle energy than the 30-30 Win.
The 6.8SPC at least has slightly more muzzle energy than a 30-30 Win.
I wouldn't consider using any of the above 3 rounds on bear.

Also if this is the case what caliber in the AR-15 platform would you recommend for it?

None.
 An Ar-10 type platform would be a wiser choice for bear, especially in the more open country of Eastern Washington.
While the 6.5 has more down range energy than the 30-30, it never 'gains' energy from it's anemic ( for bear) muzzle energy.

[FALFire]

You should seriously reconsider using the 6.5 Grendel on bear. It has less muzzle energy than the 30-30 Win.
The 6.8SPC at least has slightly more muzzle energy than a 30-30 Win.
I wouldn't consider using any of the above 3 rounds on bear.

Also if this is the case what caliber in the AR-15 platform would you recommend for it?

None.
 An Ar-10 type platform would be a wiser choice for bear, especially in the more open country of Eastern Washington.
While the 6.5 has more down range energy than the 30-30, it never 'gains' energy from it's anemic ( for bear) muzzle energy.

I tend to agree with Jim. Why use a minimum powered cartridge for bear in any case, including the 30-30 (certainly not my first choice) when there are way more options on the table. Can a 30-30 kill a bear? of course.......just not consistently or reliably shot for shot in 90 percent of hunting scenarios. I would certainly use it to protect ones self if that is all I had available but I wouldn't make the conscience decision to use it for a dedicated bear gun.

A caliber that does come to mind for bear, other than the .50 Beowulf, is the .450 Bushmaster or the .300 OSSM might even be a better option, both have factory ammo available and both used on the AR15 platform.

[JohnVH]

Shot placement. I always laugh when poor shooters think you need a Barrett 50cal to down a little deer.

[Biggerhammer]

Shot placement. I always laugh when poor shooters think you need a Barrett 50cal to down a little deer.

Some of us are sicko's ...

[Biggerhammer]

One could ask this bear if the Gredel had enough energy/ velocity to get the job done but for some reason I don't think he would be very responsive.




Larue of Larue Tacical, whom is defiantly a guy in the know how.Feltl it was a capable cartridge for big game and proved the same with a one shot " Bang-Flop " at 405 yards on this bull elk, all while slumming the 6.5 Grendel chambering.

http://www.laruetactical.com/

Larue's elk write up.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/164444_.html&page=2

[CAMPMEAT]

I've got a RRarms 458 SOCOM complete upper for sale............. dies, brass, loaded ammo, projectiles $1400 firm. 

[Jburke]

Hot damn.  Someone got their panties in a twist.  Regardless, I appreciate everyone's input on the subject.  Even if it's not YOUR ideal caliber choice.  It's not my ideal choice for larger animals either, however as stated the propper shot placement is more important than how big the gun is.  It would primarily be a deer gun.  95% of my bear hunting is while deer or elk hunting.  And I have been muzzle loader hunting for elk and I'd bet the .50 is plenty capable of making short work on a bear after seeing the damage it caused on multiple deer and a cow elk. Call me crazy for thinking you don't need a magnum caliber for ANY animal in the lower 48.

[Jburke]

What about Stoner barrels?  Quality good or just ok?

[Jim the Plumber]

I have one Stoner AR15 5.56 bbl. Just OK

[Jburke]

Thanks.  Saw them on the midway site and was curious.  Hadn't heard much about them but thought the price was nice.  Not much cheaper than the BHW barrel though.

[Jburke]

If I go with a longer barrel than I currently have will I need to replace my current handguard as well?  Currently set up with the factory handguard and have the 16 barrel.  I can stay with the same length but was thinking of at least to 18 to take advantage of the full potential.