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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2012, 01:04:06 PM »
If you ever make this mistake my advice would be to let it lie and leave ASAP.  Coyotes have to eat and no good no matter how you think will ever come from it.  you could have called the Warden as soon as it happened and he still would have smiled as he wrote you the same ticket.  Never had the problem myself.  I have always made sure of my target but had a person i know do the same thing only he re proted right away and his life was still a living hell until it was all wrapped up.  you think that if you did the best you could you would have some leniency but don't fool yourself.  they will put the screws to you.
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2012, 01:41:52 PM »
Have not read the entire thread, so maybe you mentioned it already? What tickets did you get? I beleive you should have got the following...

Shooting an illegal big game animal up to $5000 fine etc (criminal trial)
Wastage of game up to $5000 fine etc (criminal trial)

Shooting an illegal big game up to $2500 (civil trial)
Wastage of game up to $2500 (civil trial)

Probably lost your gun? You have to pay a percentage of what it is worth to get it back. Usually around $200-$600 per gun.
Loss of deer tag?

You should be looking at up to $15,000 in fines, temp. loss of gun, loss of 2012 deer tag, etc. It is usually around $1000-$1500 to pay for the attorney.

In the end you won't pay anything now. You will likely get deferred prosecution for 1-2 years. At the end of it (if you don't screw up again.) you will have to pay $500-$2000 fines, plus the cost to get your gun back $400-$600, plus the attorney fees. It will remain on your criminal record for 7 years, unless you pay $5000 to get it expungement. I know the laws and fines have changed some, but this is what a member of our hunting camps kid had charged to him in 2001. He was only 19 years old, and shot a 2 point whitetail in a 3 point or better area. He was turned in by someone for leaving it (wastage of game) to go find his father to figure out what to do. Once nailed he told the truth and that is what he got. He moved to Hawaii to build houses and no longer hunts with us. Good luck!

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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2012, 01:46:10 PM »
He should not get waste of game charge since he tried to keep the deer.
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #93 on: November 13, 2012, 01:54:20 PM »
Tagging to follow thread.


Have not read the entire thread, so maybe you mentioned it already? What tickets did you get? I beleive you should have got the following...

Shooting an illegal big game animal up to $5000 fine etc (criminal trial)
Wastage of game up to $5000 fine etc (criminal trial)

Shooting an illegal big game up to $2500 (civil trial)
Wastage of game up to $2500 (civil trial)

Probably lost your gun? You have to pay a percentage of what it is worth to get it back. Usually around $200-$600 per gun.
Loss of deer tag?

You should be looking at up to $15,000 in fines, temp. loss of gun, loss of 2012 deer tag, etc. It is usually around $1000-$1500 to pay for the attorney.

In the end you won't pay anything now. You will likely get deferred prosecution for 1-2 years. At the end of it (if you don't screw up again.) you will have to pay $500-$2000 fines, plus the cost to get your gun back $400-$600, plus the attorney fees. It will remain on your criminal record for 7 years, unless you pay $5000 to get it expungement. I know the laws and fines have changed some, but this is what a member of our hunting camps kid had charged to him in 2001. He was only 19 years old, and shot a 2 point whitetail in a 3 point or better area. He was turned in by someone for leaving it (wastage of game) to go find his father to figure out what to do. Once nailed he told the truth and that is what he got. He moved to Hawaii to build houses and no longer hunts with us. Good luck!



Copied from the OP's post, he was ticketed for "77.15.410.1B CLOSED SEASON DEER: 2-POINT IN 3-POINT OR BETTER AREA."

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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #94 on: November 13, 2012, 02:17:34 PM »
He should not get waste of game charge since he tried to keep the deer.

And what sucks about that. They have another charge they issue you if you take it. So its a lose; lose situation. Your screwed either way. Best to just tell the truth and hope for the best.

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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #95 on: November 15, 2012, 09:25:03 AM »
I really admire your courage!  You made a mistake and are manning up to your mistake!  In my book your a okay guy who made a mistake and are doing what you can to own up even when you know there will be some rough times ahead.  I would lawyer up just so they don't stick you with more than you rightfully deserve and then take your consequences like a man!

Nice work for doing the right thing and admitting guilt and manning up!

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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #96 on: November 15, 2012, 09:28:23 AM »
If you ever make this mistake my advice would be to let it lie and leave ASAP.  Coyotes have to eat and no good no matter how you think will ever come from it.  you could have called the Warden as soon as it happened and he still would have smiled as he wrote you the same ticket.  Never had the problem myself.  I have always made sure of my target but had a person i know do the same thing only he re proted right away and his life was still a living hell until it was all wrapped up.  you think that if you did the best you could you would have some leniency but don't fool yourself.  they will put the screws to you.

That's a real outstanding idea until someone watches you do it.  Then, you'll get exactly what you deserve.
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #97 on: November 15, 2012, 09:31:09 AM »
He should not get waste of game charge since he tried to keep the deer.

And what sucks about that. They have another charge they issue you if you take it. So its a lose; lose situation. Your screwed either way. Best to just tell the truth and hope for the best.

Or, you could just call it in immediately.  Then it's not wasted/abandoned and you're not trying to transport an illegal animal.  Ethics are doing the right thing when no one is watching.

I've self reported violations before and been treated very professionally during the process.  I don't expect a break when I screw up, but appreciate it when they are given :twocents:
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2012, 09:32:20 AM »
There's not a single hunter in here who hasn't made a mistake in the field. There are quite a few less who've made one and done the right thing. You're a stand up guy who'll pay the price, hopefully not a huge one. As you're a teacher, your students will benefit from being taught by one with honor and ethics. We need more teachers like you in our schools. Thank you for setting such a shining example of how to handle a personal failure.
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2012, 09:39:06 AM »
Good luck fighting this. From the sounds of it. There is no chance of you getting off the hook for what you did. At least you're not in jail.

Since you stated you are a high school teacher, you need to teach this valuable lesson to all your kids to not commit a crime and be an idiot like you were.


One question, we're you drunk or just stupid? It seems like a person like this should have their rights from hunting and fishing taken away for life.

The came came onto a pubic forum and admitted he was wrong and was just asking a couple questions. And you have to come back with this? I sure hope you have never made any kind of mistake in your life. Because that would make you a hypocrite on top of the jerk you are.

I think Mr. Naches is still young enough that he hasn't had time to realize that he is not as smart as he thinks he is.  It took me some years to learn that, along with some big helpings of humble pie.
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #100 on: November 15, 2012, 09:41:29 AM »
Good luck fighting this. From the sounds of it. There is no chance of you getting off the hook for what you did. At least you're not in jail.

Since you stated you are a high school teacher, you need to teach this valuable lesson to all your kids to not commit a crime and be an idiot like you were.


One question, we're you drunk or just stupid? It seems like a person like this should have their rights from hunting and fishing taken away for life.

The came came onto a pubic forum and admitted he was wrong and was just asking a couple questions. And you have to come back with this? I sure hope you have never made any kind of mistake in your life. Because that would make you a hypocrite on top of the jerk you are.

I think Mr. Naches is still young enough that he hasn't had time to realize that he is not as smart as he thinks he is.  It took me some years to learn that, along with some big helpings of humble pie.

Or hes just a tool and will never learn  :dunno:

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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #101 on: November 15, 2012, 09:43:03 AM »
Good luck fighting this. From the sounds of it. There is no chance of you getting off the hook for what you did. At least you're not in jail.

Since you stated you are a high school teacher, you need to teach this valuable lesson to all your kids to not commit a crime and be an idiot like you were.


One question, we're you drunk or just stupid? It seems like a person like this should have their rights from hunting and fishing taken away for life.

The came came onto a pubic forum and admitted he was wrong and was just asking a couple questions. And you have to come back with this? I sure hope you have never made any kind of mistake in your life. Because that would make you a hypocrite on top of the jerk you are.

I think Mr. Naches is still young enough that he hasn't had time to realize that he is not as smart as he thinks he is.  It took me some years to learn that, along with some big helpings of humble pie.

 :yeah: Naches, your post sucks.
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2012, 10:02:02 AM »
I'll second that..... :yeah:

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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2012, 11:11:22 AM »
There's not a single hunter in here who hasn't made a mistake in the field.
I agree, although from reading the posts on this thread it would appear that several members consider themselves above reproach. May we all strive to be perfect like them.
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Re: Shot a 2 point, going to court, any advice?
« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2012, 12:08:55 PM »
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There's not a single hunter in here who hasn't made a mistake in the field. There are quite a few less who've made one and done the right thing. You're a stand up guy who'll pay the price, hopefully not a huge one. As you're a teacher, your students will benefit from being taught by one with honor and ethics. We need more teachers like you in our schools. Thank you for setting such a shining example of how to handle a personal failure.




That my friend was a very good post! I might even try to lose some of my hate for the lib's after reading that  (for those of you that don't know what that meant it was referring to another thread).

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