Elk Rumors

[tlbradford]

That might be a good question for any geneticists on the site, how many cows would this bull have bred in the last few years and how likely is it that offspring will develope the same results

I don't know the answer to that, but I imagine all the cows dropped their panties and assumed the position when this stud walked by.

[GoldTip]

I am not a Geneticist, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.....   truly, most of this big bulls seed will generally produce very good bulls, and how much of that he has passed on is very hard to know.  Certainly not all the the calfs he has created will become bulls such as he was, he was a product of most likely a DAMN good bull and a very healthy cow, remember some of the gene's come from the cow as well.  There's a very real possibility that at least half of the calves this big boy created will most likely be cows, and in some cases maybe much greater than 50%.  I've seen barn yard bulls I would never turn out with the cows because their track record shows they run at 35-40% bull calves, thats talking moo cows, but you get my drift. 

But most likely the area this bull came from will continue to produce some very good bulls, quite possibly never another bull like him however.  It's no different in humans,  look at an Olympic athlete, how many of them have siblings?  Same Mother, Same Father, but the siblings are maybe not even considered athletes and some are no better than average.  How many pro-athletes end up with off-spring who are also incredible athletes?  Not very many, so I guess my answer is this, will he have produced some more incredible bulls to all of us average Joe hunters?  Yes.  Will he have produced another record shattering off-spring?  Doubtful.

[WDFW-SUX]

Good thing we will kill most of those spikes in that unit.

Thanks Jeff.

[huntnphool]

How many pro-athletes end up with off-spring who are also incredible athletes? 

Holiday Inn, now thats funny

I appreciate your comment GT just not sure I agree with it. There has to be something to the whole gene passing thing I would think, after all, why are people paying millions of dollars every year for thoroughbred semen? Surely this would work with elk as well would it not?

[backwoods_boy]

ha ha ok this post is gettin out of hand...

so what is the final thoughts..
is the big dog dead or alive?
haha

[Diehard0123]

I always wondered what it took to get a spread in Eastman's ($65,000)

I think the anger on this site is valid, In my opinion this was not fair chase.  Was it ethical?  That is yet to be determined.  One question that should be raised is that its illegal to fly in a plane within 24 hours of harvesting an animal with the exception of comercial aircraft (airliner) I wonder if this was the case or not. 

[GoldTip]

Huntnphool, although that may be true that people will pay millions for thoroughbred semen, that is from a proven commodity.  That horses semen produces very fine MALE colts repeatedly, or his semen only sells about 2 times.  This bulls semen quite possibly did produce many fine specimens and will produce some very great bulls in mine or your eyes.  He had the genetic predisposition to produce an incredible set of horns, that does not always translate to being the same for the gene's he passed on.  And remember, when they implant the million dollar thoroughbred's semen in a mare, it aint just any old mare.  It's not a mare thats too young or one that is beyond it's breeding prime.  This big boy of a bull laid down with a lot of also rans as far as cow's go.  

Let's put it this way, you seem like a reasonably intelligent guy.  And I am sure you probably are married to a quite beautiful and intelligent woman.  Now more than likely you have some terrific and talented kids who are at least reasonably athletic and intelligent.  Now, run on down to one of the local backwoods taverns and start spreading your seed amongst the  50lbs over weight, tank top wearing double toothed gals with an over bite.  My guess is those one's aint even gonna resemble the kids you currently have.  

Sorry man, I couldn't resist.

[huntnphool]

Now, run on down to one of the local backwoods taverns and start spreading your seed amongst the  50lbs over weight, tank top wearing double toothed gals with an over bite.  My guess is those one's aint even gonna resemble the kids you currently have.   
Sorry man, I couldn't resist.

I hear ya but laws of average would say he got some quality tail as well not just trailer trash Sorry about the hijack.

[plague]

How could someone who was not part of the hunt, who truly knows nothing of what went on, say that he does not think it was fair chase?  Wow.  Dude.  You don't have a clue and you should admit it.  You live hundreds of miles away, how could you?

Go ahead and be angry.  See where it gets you.  No where.

It was fair chase.  It was ethical.  I WAS there.  I witnessed it.  It may have been an easy hunt, but that is the definition of hunting.  Sometimes its incredibly hard.  Sometimes simple.  You cannot know the outcome before hand.  The bull had been down deeeep in a canyon just one day prior.  He moved up because he wanted to.  No one forced that elk to come up closer to the road.  I honestly believed there was a high probability that we could not get him due to the terrain, the hunters limitations and the fact that the bull was moving so much.  It looked bleak.  But, the hunter was LUCKY.  It moved right up to an open ridge....Thats not unethical.  What does one do in that situation.  Turn around because its too easy?  Go home?  No, you capitilze on the bulls mistake.  

Many people were part of this hunt.  They did not fence him in.  Did not pressure him.  Just watched and learned.  Thats hunting.  Knowing your quarry.  Scouting.  Being out there.  I did it.  I did my homework.  It could have went the other way and we never would have saw it again.  Great.  Thats hunting.  

The hunter did his part.  Its over.  Give some respect to a great animal.  Truly a trophy of a lifetime from a state that is not even mentioned in Eastmans or Trophy Hunter.  Our state gets no respect.  Maybe now it will.  The tags are already impossible to get and it wont get any easier for the rest of us.  Tough.  Go hunt up at 49 degress north.  You can shoot whatever you want there.  Bitterness and anger will not get you any closer to a 450 bull.

[DeKuma]

I stayed out of the fray on this becuaseI really do not care as long as it was legal and ethical.  Given unlimited funds, I may have opted to do the same, who knows.  I am not going to play armchair quarterback for a hunt that is not mine.

So, being you were there, GREAT JOB.  How about more pictures and some story to go with the whole experience??

[plague]

I was there but the hunt was not mine.  The story really is the hunters to tell.    That may sound like a cop out, but I believe in respecting others and not stealing their thunder.  Just rest assured it was an actual hunt with no nefarious goings on. 

[DeKuma]

I do not doubt that, I just want to live vicariously through the man!

[Lowedog]

How could someone who was not part of the hunt, who truly knows nothing of what went on, say that he does not think it was fair chase?  Wow.  Dude.  You don't have a clue and you should admit it.  You live hundreds of miles away, how could you?

Go ahead and be angry.  See where it gets you.  No where.

It was fair chase.  It was ethical.  I WAS there.  I witnessed it.  It may have been an easy hunt, but that is the definition of hunting.  Sometimes its incredibly hard.  Sometimes simple.  You cannot know the outcome before hand.  The bull had been down deeeep in a canyon just one day prior.  He moved up because he wanted to.  No one forced that elk to come up closer to the road.  I honestly believed there was a high probability that we could not get him due to the terrain, the hunters limitations and the fact that the bull was moving so much.  It looked bleak.  But, the hunter was LUCKY.  It moved right up to an open ridge....Thats not unethical.  What does one do in that situation.  Turn around because its too easy?  Go home?  No, you capitilze on the bulls mistake. 

Many people were part of this hunt.  They did not fence him in.  Did not pressure him.  Just watched and learned.  Thats hunting.  Knowing your quarry.  Scouting.  Being out there.  I did it.  I did my homework.  It could have went the other way and we never would have saw it again.  Great.  Thats hunting. 

The hunter did his part.  Its over.  Give some respect to a great animal.  Truly a trophy of a lifetime from a state that is not even mentioned in Eastmans or Trophy Hunter.  Our state gets no respect.  Maybe now it will.  The tags are already impossible to get and it wont get any easier for the rest of us.  Tough.  Go hunt up at 49 degress north.  You can shoot whatever you want there.  Bitterness and anger will not get you any closer to a 450 bull.

I don't know about anyone else on here but I'm not angry.  Sickened that our wildlife is being pimped out to the highest bidder would be more like it.   

Fair chase?  What's your definition of fair chase?  How much did you get paid for your part in this "hunt"? 

I don't think anyone here is being too criticle of this guy for taking advantage of his recourses.  I am in awe of the animal itself.  I don't have any ill feeling towards any of the guys who do this.  Any hard feelings I have are with the states for pimping out the animals and it does bother me that these animals are basically singled out by certain individuals and pretty much sold to the highest bidder at auction.  Prior to 2 seasons ago the highest one of these tags sold for here in WA was $22K, less than half of the 2007 tag that was purchased after this bulls sheds were found. 

Awesome bull but I'm not going to congradulate anyone for killing it or for being part of it. 

-Lowedog

[bucklucky]

Im a feeling a little deflated after seeing the pictures of this bull, incredible set of headgear. Congrats to Mr Agnew! Looks like the spot I had all scouted out come the 8th   

[ThePascoKid]

I think the thing that bothers me most is that I just can't relate to someone having that kind of opportunity and not investing more of his own time just for the experience and enjoyment of the hunt.  September is a great time to be in the Blues. Don't tell me that someone who can afford a tag like that couldn't get more than 2 days away from home, I'm middle income and I could a week off easy.  Your God damn right if I had the money I would buy that tag but I would definitely be more involved, in my opinion what this guy did is killing not hunting, the guides did the hunting.  Hell yeah I'm jealous I see a big bull like that and of course I wish I would have shot it.  I think he also owes use regular Joe's a debt of gratitude for years of spike only hunting so this bull and many others could grow to their full potential. I'll be waiting for my Thank You My