Elk Rumors

[Broken Arrow]

Just a quick thought here, but i was thinking, what if WE on this sight didn't post the pics of that bull? would folks feel different? Would we have just read the hunting story and said " wow, what a lucky SOB to take such a bull" Would MM have troled them to there post? From what i can tell, the majority of hunters on this site prides themselves on being " blue colar hunters"? I am the same way. I'm geting the feeling some folks are taking this personally, like it was "our bull"

I can tell you this, I personally saw those pictures before they were posted on this sight as I took my nephew to turkey hunt on private land in Waitsburg, where the pics were forwarded. My fiend who also post on this site, held these antelers prior to the post....it was just a matter of time until they got out (not blaming anyone).

My father used to have a saying before he passed; those that gots the money, makes the rules!

I don't know this guy from Adam, and any specualtaion on my part about him as a hunter/ shooter is just that. All i know is that he paid for the tag, and killed the bull. The rest to me is irevalant. I can't change the laws or change the ways WDFW does buisness, but I can be in control of myself. I plan on hunting the enire elk season for archery, wether I kill a cow, rag or trophy i will find solace in my own deed...I imagine this guy fells the same.




 

[steeleywhopper]

I don't know about you guys, but I love going to elk camp. I go to the Blues every year with my Dad and Grampa who is 81 yrs young. I could not imagine flying in and flying out in 1 or 2 days. The hunt in my eyes is the whole experience. The people who we share camp with, being out in the woods, and the hunt. If I had the money I would be all over the tag, but you bet your bottom dollar I would be in camp  (wall tent) for a week or two regardless if I killed a bull on the first day or ate a tag. Congrats to the man who shot it, it's a awesome bull, but too bad he will not have the fun campfire stories or other crazy experiences that come from living on the hill for a week or two. Not trying to take anything away, just giving my thoughts.

[wrangler]

The government allows it.  No wrong was done.  No laws broken.  That said, hunters should not have a huge problem with it.  

this is the dumbest thing iv heard in long time. because the GOVERNMENT allows it hunters should not have a problem with it? last i checked the government allows a lot of things that a lot of people dont like, just cause they allow it doesn't mean anyone has to be ok with it.... ITS NOT HUNTING. PURE AND SIMPLE. congrats to the dude for killing a bull of a life time, he can hang it on his wall and tell all the magizines whatever he wants but it's plainly obvious what happend here. he bought a bull. good for him, happens all the time. but what do you say to the old man that hunts the general season for spikes and finally drew that tag after 30 years? he shouldn't have to compete with this garbage. none of us should.  im tryin hard to see the 'other' side of the story here... i just can't past the fact this is what 'hunting' has come to, and it ain't gonna get any better.... sad.

[timber tiger]

+100

[BC CHASER]

First off that is a MAMMY of a bull!!  I have mixed feelings about these kinds of hunts.  I have several friends that are involved in these kinds of hunts.  All of them are great guys, hard hunters and very knowledgeable about what they are doing.  They do it because they love it and can make a little $ as well.  I myself hope to be able to do this someday in the future (both guide and hunt).  This guy has had the tag for the last 3 years and has ate the tag until this year and in those two years he did hunt hard for the bull.  Yeah the guy might not be involved in the whole process but I'm sure at one point in time he was no different than you or I.  I hope the $ that he paid for the hunt does go to the elk and habitat preservation and not the general fund. Supposedly 10% goes to the seller of the tag and the rest to the animals.  I pay almost $200 a year for all of my fishing and hunting licenses.  I would have to live to be 325 years old to give the amount that he gave to the wildlife this year.  In all he brought a lot of money to the state and a few guys made some $.  On the other hand I would have loved to see a young kid, older person or just an average Joe take this bull.  No matter who took it every magazine would be after the story and it would be known that we do have large critters here in the state.  I did not want Washington to get a name for it self and have more competition for the draws.  I have 12 points now and cannot wait to draw THE TAG.  I have never shot an elk and have never had a lot of interest in them until the last few years.  So be happy that it was not poached or that he was taken by the tribes.  Every hunter is different and has different opinions on what they think hunting is.  This bull was not in a fence or private land and was shot fair chase.  We need to stand together as hunters and be glad that this bull was was harvested legally.  This bull will be a legend and you who live here can say you have walked in the hills he came from!  

[jackelope]

BC...if you have 12 points...you are in tthe running for one of those tags next year.

[jackelope]

plague/blackstar...you guys look to be the same person...why 2 different handles?

[yelp]

They are in the photos.

[Ray]

For one animal I think it is a lesser problem than some places and species which have mandatory guides and high fees to go with them. Don't get me wrong I would hire a guide but mandating the industry onto hunters would be much worse. Much like the brown bear hunts in Alaska, or British Columbia where the government has blessed the industry to have priority over the little man from out of state. I mean I am an American why can I not hunt an American animal on my own? Something permanent and expensive. There are two sides to everything and I don't believe the guides did anything but a good job. I believe it is also good for the hunting industry and community to have a healthy number of quality guides who would be allowed and capable of aiding someone to hunt in whatever manner. I would not spend that kind of money on a critter hunt but it is his money and he might well have worked real hard for that money for all I know. Lots of people use ATVs and motorcycles to get far into areas and hunt. I think that is potentially equally as questionable as what this person has done. On another token I think that there should be a reasonable amount of chance for a disabled person to hunt. I don't really have a problem with his hunt and with one animal out of the thousands being so called "pimped out". 

[BENCHLEG]

plague I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE HUNT OR THE BULL. but what i don,t like is the publicity this bull is getting you guys can talk all you want about mm but remember one thing. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS you created your own destiny. stop talking about big bulls for money. this state cant support the amount of people that utah can one bull doesnt mean that it is a world class trophy state. the odds will go up now. stop putting for tags now and save you the heart ache when you dont get drawn.

[bornforhorns]

"I honestly believed there was a high probability that we could not get him due to the terrain, the hunters limitations and the fact that the bull was moving so much."

There you go...that says it all.  I believe it's the majority opinion, legal or illegal, it's not the right way to do it.  If you're lucky and healthy you get 30 or 40 good years of hard hunting...if you can't do it the right way...move over and let the next generation take over.  Bottom line, the elk was bought out.  Booo! for auction tags.  Were not hurting for money that bad. 

Lowedog, wastickslinger, etc.   and many others glad to see there's at least some people who get it.

For richer or poorer...the man has poor judgement...but I guess that's legal too.

I'm truly sad that there are actually guys who can stick up for something like this...people on here are suppose to "get it".

[BC CHASER]

  If you're lucky and healthy you get 30 or 40 good years of hard hunting...if you can't do it the right way...move over and let the next generation take over. :

I'm truly sad that there are actually guys who can stick up for something like this...people on here are suppose to "get it".
[/quote]


So should disabled people not hunt?  What is the right way? As long as it was legal I think it is right.  I will stick up for any hunter who does their thing legally!  Did you put in for the SE tags this year?  Did you know about this bull 3 years ago?  All great things must come to an end and this bull died not at the hand of a poacher or the tribes but a man who donates a lot of money to the thing he loves doing.  In the long run he has helped every hunter in this state out a bit.  I'm not being an a$$ but it is done and sounds like it was all legal.

[BENCHLEG]

YES IM SURE THAT IT WAS LEGAL . but if it it was fair chase it would be one on one. the animal against the hunter not the elk against the hunters. meaning a mob of people scouting and watching that animal day and night until he is killed. that is what erks me. money drives everything. awesome bull. I JUST DONT AGREE WITH THE POSSE IT TOOK TO TAKE HIM.

[MichaelJ]

So whats everyones thoughts on going up to canada to hunt black bears over bait?  


Lets see, you fly up there.   Pay the place to take you out.  Sit there with a weapon of your choice in a treestand, over a bait that other folks put there and kept up.  Then the bear comes out, you shoot it and fly home.    HMMMMM?  sounds similar huh?  Now does everyone at that location hop on line and start screaming about some idiot that shot a pimped out bear, and he didn't deserve it, it was shooting not hunting, BLAH BLAH BLAH.  I don't think so.

Another question,  If this was your everyday run of the mill bull would you guys have such a problem with it? 



Jealousy is a horrible thing, and I'm sorry that alot of you folks are suffering because of it.

Great Point Miles... I for one agree that if this bull wasn't such a shattering utterably HUGE bull, the controversy wouldn't even be close.... but then again we have to face the fact that if a bull this size WASN'T taken, then hardly any of us would've been allowed to see the end results and hear the story....  There's a HUGE grey area here.  I for one think the guy isn't much of a hunter and I don't respect him at all....  I do however realize the money that he's put into our state economy (hopefully for the better  of our elk herds), and I thank him for that.  Respect or agree?  HELL NO.  Do I personally have a problem, yeah kinda.  I think it's wrong for our resources to be exploited like it was.  But hey that's the way things are and I have to deal with them.

As for Plague, I think that all you guides (yes, how many were you and how much did each of you get dollar wise?  Until you let us know, I'm sorry but you have made yourself a marked person on this site...) deserve some respect for keeping tabs on the bull.  Hell if I could make a lot of $$$ by helping some rich guy shoot a bull I would probably do it.  No disrespect here.  But to call it fair chase would be something different.

Michael

[Bookworm]

I don't know Mr.Agnew nor will I add to the debate about this but I do know that at one time he lived in Centralia, his kids went to school there so at one time he was a resident of this state.