Elk Rumors

[wastickslinger]

Bigshooter-so your going to go call it in, then your buddy will fly in on a jet, shoot it, fly out the same day with the horns only. Oh, and on top of that give you a fat stack of hundred dollar bills. Are you going to go without your buddy for a few weeks in advance and keep tabs on his bull?

I still see a big big difference. I am not knockig the guy but I still see a huge difference between you and a buddy hunting together and what took place this week with the pimped out bull.

I will say no more on the subject cause I could care less. That bull would have died of old age before I drew that tag. Besides that, even had I drawn it I would never have found him. 

I really hope the guy is happy with a magnificant bull!!!!!

[Bigshooter]

Bigshooter-so your going to go call it in, then your buddy will fly in on a jet, shoot it, fly out the same day with the horns only. Oh, and on top of that give you a fat stack of hundred dollar bills. Are you going to go without your buddy for a few weeks in advance and keep tabs on his bull?

I still see a big big difference. I am not knockig the guy but I still see a huge difference between you and a buddy hunting together and what took place this week with the pimped out bull.

I will say no more on the subject cause I could care less. That bull would have died of old age before I drew that tag. Besides that, even had I drawn it I would never have found him. 

I really hope the guy is happy with a magnificant bull!!!!!

Again, the only difference is how much money my buddy is going to spend on his hunt.

[wastickslinger]

Then yes I disagree with you camping out on a bull for him to pull the trigger on. I think your frined would appreciate a few more days in the field with you before he drives up and smokes the bull that you put all the work into. i wold think he would enjoy to learn how to hunt and call them in too. To each his own. Sounds like your buddy likes the thrill of the kill and nothing more. I got no problem with that.

[BluMtHunter]

This bull was killed in the Umatilla National Forest in Washington State within a mile of a forest service road. No, it is not a ranched animal as some have suggested on mm and elsewhere. It is illegal to ranch wild animals in this state. We don't have those ranched hunts that tether an animal to a tree for some weak-kneed rich guy to shoot. We just have jerks who sell their souls for $$$ and then lead these rich guys on a leash to the big elk that they have scouted and kept in check FOR them.
The Governor's Tag helps to provide this state with much needed services for wildlife that we would not otherwise have. The person who buys the tag is getting a coveted trophy tag that any of us would love to be able to a have. I suppose when the guy doesn't go out and actually hunt for the animal like the rest of us have to, we get a bit ticked off, right or wrong. Maybe some changes need to be made to the way the tag(s) are used to prevent the controversy that apparently surrounds this years elk tag. It isn't just that this particular elk was taken; it was the way it was apparently done that has so many up in arms. Unfortunate. When this state went to the point system it made for big bulls but with a wait of 10-12 years between chances to get drawn, you have some angry hunters when this kind of crap comes down. And when one of the shed pictures that have already been posted here earlier is taken to the RMEF auction in order to boost the price for this tag...?  Well, makes me wonder if this is a good thing at all.  Pimping bull elk for money!!    

There are many rumors, unanswered questions. People who were friends of these so-called trackers & guides (Oregon Guides have no valid license in WA and what is this crap about special permit for the Umatilla Forest Land??) as well as many on these forums would like to know the whole story about this elk hunt. What is the big secret???  I don't think the real truth will ever be known.


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[catwithboost]

BluMtHunter I have to ask with the comments made by you who are you having one post?

[BluMtHunter]

I am someone who "knew" the elk for several years from his sheds and watching him through binos. I know the country where he was taken.  Like I said before. It isn't that the bull elk was killed; it is the way it was done and the 'mystery' around it.  The 65 grand the state got for the tag will go to good use, no doubt.  I hope the guys who rounded up and herded that elk for the Tag holder enjoy the big $$ they received.  The guy doing the killing was off to his next kill before the blood was coldon this one .... Did he enjoy his hunt?  I suppose so.  He wouldn't pay so much money if he didn't enjoy pulling the trigger.  He just doesn't really "hunt" as the rest of us do. But then, that's just my  worth.  Everyone has their way of doing things and even if things aren't quite ethical, if they're legal then WTF, right?   

[high country]

one mans hunting trip is another mans soap opera.


I have a birth defect that prohibits me from shooting deer from open fields, although I have many friends and family that invite me every year, I will instead hike and sweat my arse off during the high country hunt, and IF I connect, and that can be a pretty big if some years, I will consider it a proud trophy. only other guys that hunt similar areas can truly understand what it takes to bring home a winner.

I am happy that the state pulled some resource from the hunt.

I hope that hunter felt 1/2 as good as I did the day I came home with any of my trophies. 

I am interested to hear the story of this hunt, not the edited version.

[javman]

They could raise the rate of an elk tag by $1, and that would give the state more money than this auction tag does.

And then automatically enter everyone who buys an elk tag into a raffle for the same special privilege.

Just a thought.

[PA BEN]

How many here watch the OUTDOOR ch? Or watch VS? Every hunt on those ch's cost big bucks. And we buy the hunting products. In away we all support this type of hunting. Most of us don't have that kind of money.

[Bigshooter]

Then yes I disagree with you camping out on a bull for him to pull the trigger on. I think your frined would appreciate a few more days in the field with you before he drives up and smokes the bull that you put all the work into. i wold think he would enjoy to learn how to hunt and call them in too. To each his own. Sounds like your buddy likes the thrill of the kill and nothing more. I got no problem with that.

So you don't have a problem with my buddy killing an elk that I have been watching, but you do have a problem with somebody spending 1000's of dollars to kill an animal that he has paid someone to watched for him?  Makes a lot of sense.

Or are you upset because we won't be able to "enjoy" the hunt, because it only lasted a short amount of time?  Maybe will wait 5 or 6 days to kill him, that way we will have more time to "enjoy" the hunt.  Then nobody will be mad because we got lucky and were able to kill him on the first day.

[tmike]

"Washingturds"  Now that's funny! I must confess, I flew to Arizona got picked up by a guide, drove 3 hours, glassed for a week and shot a bull. I hope some of you can find a way to forgive me. The total price for that hunt was $10,000. The 5 I spent and the five 5 my wife spent on new furniture. Vote for Rossi, he'll fix everything!

[M_ray]

M_ray,

I believe that would be Washingtards!

All kidding aside, I hope like heck that the raffle tag holder was in no way prevented from getting this monster for any reason.  Just my thoughts.  

No not really ... my impression is that tards are from Utah!
And I don't know about this years raffle winner but last year it seemed the Boi's and Game managers gave my friend all that they knew to help him get in the game with the big boy's.

[wastickslinger]

Bigshooter-I never said I had a problem with him spending the money to kill the bull. That was never my point. You are still missing it. It was the method in which it was taken. Even at that, I said I could care less. Just like I could care less that you put in all the work for your buddy and he will drive up load his bull and take it back and hang it in his high rise office in Seattle and brag to all his buddies about how hard he worked for his bull while your sitting at home looking at a picture of his bull thinking about hard how ayour worked for him. If he can live with that then that is fine. There are many guys who hunt "kill" like that all over the world. That is great it is also too bad for them that they will never know what hunting is really all about.

[Bigshooter]

Bigshooter-I never said I had a problem with him spending the money to kill the bull. That was never my point. You are still missing it. It was the method in which it was taken. Even at that, I said I could care less. Just like I could care less that you put in all the work for your buddy and he will drive up load his bull and take it back and hang it in his high rise office in Seattle and brag to all his buddies about how hard he worked for his bull while your sitting at home looking at a picture of his bull thinking about hard how ayour worked for him. If he can live with that then that is fine. There are many guys who hunt "kill" like that all over the world. That is great it is also too bad for them that they will never know what hunting is really all about.

So only guys that buy a general season tag and hunt by themselves know what hunting is about?

So if my dad ends up killing a buck that I have been watching this summer on opening day, he is just killing a deer.  He doesn't know what hunting is really all about?  You have got to be kidding me.  I have more fun watching people getting to kill, than me killing it.

Again the only difference that I see between the two is the money spent.

[Diehard0123]

I think its one thing to have a buddy scouting for you and find a nice animal.  You will probably know the area in which the animal is located when you last saw it, kind of like trail cams.  When you have a team of 10+ men watching an animals every move day and night (were night vision used?) for a week or more being paid money to do so is where the contraversy come into play.  Someone stated that he donated the meat as well which creates more contraversy.  The fact that this guy got himself a Gov. tag is a moot point, as others have stated its the way it was done.  You may as well shoot the Bull with a tranq and put a locator collar on it.  To me there is no difference than what took place here based on the info that we have recieved on this hunt.  There are alot of hunters here that are a little irate because of the point system and antler restrictions in our state.  It does seem to be a bit unfair that only the rich can get around this.