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Offline JimmyHoffa

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Re: Dear WDFW....
« Reply #135 on: November 19, 2012, 08:55:33 PM »
Are there many brush pickers near skookumchuk?  During deer season a guy said he quit hunting certain parts of the OP because the biologists told him they were attributing the decline of deer in those areas to poaching by brushpickers.  Said when FS or Border Patrol stop their vehicles they have been finding deer hidden under the brush.  Said the deer were snared then clubbed.

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Re: Dear WDFW....
« Reply #136 on: November 19, 2012, 09:06:29 PM »
I would much rather see a ban on baiting blacktail than to see the 4 day modern hunt end. I think more mature breeder bucks are killed during the late archery when post rut bucks are the most vulnerable searching for food to strengthen back their body for the winter. I know in my area most everyone baits during early archery,modern,muzzle and late too.Most of the big bucks have been killed over a bait pile the last few years which has had a noticeable negative impact on my local deer herd :twocents:.

WRONG!!!! Post rut BT's hole up in the nastiest thick and go completely nocturnal. They are surrounded by feed why would they have to go "searching" for food? Yeah they'll come to a pile of apples...after dark
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Re: Dear WDFW....
« Reply #137 on: November 19, 2012, 09:12:09 PM »
Are there many brush pickers near skookumchuk?  During deer season a guy said he quit hunting certain parts of the OP because the biologists told him they were attributing the decline of deer in those areas to poaching by brushpickers.  Said when FS or Border Patrol stop their vehicles they have been finding deer hidden under the brush.  Said the deer were snared then clubbed.

I don't know about the Skookumchuck, but i would be willing to bet there are a few deer coming out in the back of brush pickers vans here in Grays Harbor/Pacific County. 

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Re: Dear WDFW....
« Reply #138 on: November 19, 2012, 11:17:10 PM »

Year   Antlerless      Antlered     Total (All methods)   Number of M/F hunters   Percent of M/F hunter sucess
2007         0                 193                 193                             1498                                  12.9%
2008         0                 213                 227                               N/A                                     N/A
2009         0                 194                 204                             1334                                  14.5%
2010         0                 245                 261                             1185                                  20.7%
2011         0                 175                 182                              953                                   18.4% 


One thing that is constant is the declinng numbers of hunters in that area each year.


In short, I don't see giving up any part of our season(s) being the answer, at least based on the data I can find at this point.   I believe the other issues mentioned such as poaching, predators and habitat being the main influences.

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It's interesting your data coincides with a report I read in the Columbian a couple years back. They were saying the number of deer hunters in WA has declined steadily each year since 2000. What I am willing to bet is that as the number of licensed deer hunters has went down, the percentage of poaching has climbed at the same rate. Especially with the bad economy, rising cost of fuel, tags, and people wanting meat on the table, etc. I would source that as a very real problem, just as bad if not worse than the poor predator management this state has. As I mentioned in a previous post, the evidence of poaching in the areas I hunt is astounding. And that's just during modern hunting season! :yike: One can only imagine how many animals fall victim to it each year.

Curiously, in the light of the data of declining deer hunters, I am thinking the numbers of elk hunters has increased. Just a guess and a bit off topic I know. But it sure seems like it anyway! :chuckle:
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Re: Dear WDFW....
« Reply #139 on: November 20, 2012, 02:51:41 PM »

Year   Antlerless      Antlered     Total (All methods)   Number of M/F hunters   Percent of M/F hunter sucess
2007         0                 193                 193                             1498                                  12.9%
2008         0                 213                 227                               N/A                                     N/A
2009         0                 194                 204                             1334                                  14.5%
2010         0                 245                 261                             1185                                  20.7%
2011         0                 175                 182                              953                                   18.4% 


One thing that is constant is the declinng numbers of hunters in that area each year.


In short, I don't see giving up any part of our season(s) being the answer, at least based on the data I can find at this point.   I believe the other issues mentioned such as poaching, predators and habitat being the main influences.

 :yeah:
It's interesting your data coincides with a report I read in the Columbian a couple years back. They were saying the number of deer hunters in WA has declined steadily each year since 2000. What I am willing to bet is that as the number of licensed deer hunters has went down, the percentage of poaching has climbed at the same rate. Especially with the bad economy, rising cost of fuel, tags, and people wanting meat on the table, etc. I would source that as a very real problem, just as bad if not worse than the poor predator management this state has. As I mentioned in a previous post, the evidence of poaching in the areas I hunt is astounding. And that's just during modern hunting season! :yike: One can only imagine how many animals fall victim to it each year.

Curiously, in the light of the data of declining deer hunters, I am thinking the numbers of elk hunters has increased. Just a guess and a bit off topic I know. But it sure seems like it anyway! :chuckle:
It looks like those #s are only for modern. I wonder if the # of bowhunters or muzzy hunters went up as those went down :dunno:

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Re: Dear WDFW....
« Reply #140 on: November 20, 2012, 04:51:55 PM »
erk444 you sparked my curiosity on that so I went back and looked.  No breakdown as to weapon in 2007 & 2008, but for 2009 to 2011 it shows the following:

Year      Archery     Muzzleloader    Multi-weapon
2011        164                14                    19
2010        214                14                    18
2009        224                  6                    17

 
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