Ethical ? (long shot)

[Machias]

Very nicely stated, I'll excuse myself now that someone really put my ideas to words.  Thank you Bscman!

 

[300rum]

Good job Bscman.  Cut the post that you wrote, save it as a word document so that you can paste the next time someone thinks that 100 yards is doable.

[WAcoyotehunter]

                 +1

[bucklucky]

 

[Bscman]

 

Had some spare time on my hands to get it all out...that's all.
(Just don't tell the boss-man)

Thanks...

[Slow-1]

Now that we all have our 1" groups at 150 yards  .Try this having not shot your bow for 3 days with no warm up shots,run around your house 3 times,(to simulate buck/bull fever )with your hunting clothes and boots on ,and with your feet on uneven ground. Pick that range you "always" shoot your tight little groups at. Then you get one shot.I'll bet that group just got a little bigger! If your going to say I don't get "buck /bull fever "then I ask why do you hunt?

[spin05]

I 100 % agree with what bcsman says. I thought my bow was pretty fast.Its rated 295 ibo. I put a wisker bisquet on,string loop,string silencer,shoot a 261/2 in arrow. When i had the shop put a new string on it.I had them shoot it threw the cronagraph. Guess what ??  254fps. Kind of Eye opening. So usally on hunting bow if a guy says he shooting anywere over 290fps i call b.s.

[demontang]

I have shot mine though a chrono and it was 286-290 (the birth tag said 315) with my hunting arrow :dunno, I have a sting tamer, g5 peep, brass nock, and nothing else on the string , I was pulling 70lb with a 30" draw. I also practice taking shoots from different positions, in the wind, after working on something and ect. I try and keep in shape all year long too, and shoot a lot during the off season.

I still wouldn't take a shot at something if I was not sure of the shot and I wouldn't shoot at a deer at 60yd's.

[WDFW-SUX]

I shoot a Hoyt Vulcan 75# 29in draw 444.5 grain arrow 291 fps chronograph.

[beav1980]

I think it depends on the hunter.  I feel really comfortable out to 60 yds, a person that shoots and practices all the time may shoot better than someone shooting at 30.  I dont think you can put a distance on a shot cause I have seen people that cant hit the broad side of a barn @ 30yds.  So I think it depends on the hunter and who is to judge what is ethical! If I have a broad side shot @ 20 yds and I hit it in the guts I guess that is ok but if I do the same shot at 60yds then it becomes un-ehtical??

[Bscman]

If I have a broad side shot @ 20 yds and I hit it in the guts I guess that is ok but if I do the same shot at 60yds then it becomes un-ehtical??

We owe it to the animals we pursue to take them as humanely as possible. A gut shot is hardly ethical, at any range!

At 20yds you have little excuse--you were unethical because you were ill-prepared or simply took a poor shot.

At 60yds a whole lot more comes in to play. Wind drift at 60yds is MUCH more drastic than at 20yds. Flight time is MUCH longer at 60yds, so the animal has more time to move. Erratic arrow flight, mis-judgind distance, and so many other things all come into play much more so than at 20yds.
A gut shot at 60yds is RECKLESS because there were so many things counting against you...

It's kinda like drunk driving when you're on the edge of the legal limit.
You're still affected by the booze, but as long as you get home safely...no harm was done......but you have ZERO excuse if you cause an accident or run off the road. You should've known better.
Reckless.

[beav1980]

I have killed several animals out to 60yds and killed them all.  They have all been 1 shot = 1 kill so dont try to tell me what is ethical.  I shoot religiously and I feel comfortable out to 60 so im not gonna change.

[Blacktail killer]

Ethical everybody is different you have guys like me who spend febuary - august shootin 3d shoots and then you have the hay bail hitters who pickup there bow 2 weeks before archery season and if they can hit a hay bail they think there ready!!aim small miss small aim big miss big or suck big

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I love this type of convo because so many people have varrying opinons.. "ethical range" is to each his own, personally 80 yrds for me under the RIGHT conditions is a no brainer, but I cant stress enough about the conditions being RIGHT. no wind or very slight wind, calm animal, good solid ground   etc etc... then you have to take into account the persons ability.. myself I shoot 5-7 days a week ALL YEAR, I compete as much as I fish and all my equipment is top dollar and tuned to perfection.... with thay said my effective range is considrably farther then the guy who shoots 2 weeks before season, the argument I always hear is this.. well at 80 yrds or farther the animal can duck the string etc, I have seen them do it at 10yrds! so is that not a ethical bow shot? with todays equipment becoming quieter and more flat shooting the effective distance is increased a lot. I hunt a lot of open ground for deer and sometimes 50-80 yrds is as close as your going to get and I need to be proficient at those distances..... I would rather take a deer at 15yrds oposed to 60 or farther but given the situation I would not pass up the Right Shot on a animal either.... I have taken close to 100 deer so far in my 13 years of bowhunting california, oregon, idaho, washington and ohio and a few other states and my farthest shot to date was 75yrds on a blacktail doe in a open field down home... she went 35yrds and was done, so yes it can be done, anytime you draw back on a animal with a bow there always will be a CHANCE of it moving or hitting it poorly.. its your call on what YOU are capable of and if the conditions are right for YOU to take that shot......

[Ray]

The real problem is that the equipment has become so advanced that it will then restrict the season as the archers become more successful percentagewise. It will be the downfall on the archery season the more advanced and gadget intensive it gets and the more people engaging in the seasons. Skill is no longer an asset as much as money to buy the best bow with the most range and accuracy anyone can obtain.