**Need some guidance**

[NW-GSP]

I will gladly show you how to do it,guaranteed no FT groupie knows this trick,it's very very very old,it's a trick I learned from a fellow in the pro training world who was nicknamed the "Pigeon Magician",he was the first pro trainer to switch from wild birds to pigeons in the early 50's.The dog better be locking up 20+ feet away or it's bird in the air.

No helper required,The only thing launchers are for is backing/honoring training

they are real handy for simulating hunting scenarios and teaching a dog not to crowd birds.
 I really don't know of a better long distance / practical way to teach a dog to be respectful of a bird's space without the help of a launcher or wild birds. granted this isn't an issue for the field trial groupies, where standing over planted birds seems to be acceptable.

I can assure you that everything he is saying is true. I have seen it and it made things click for my Gsp, take him up on the offer you will not regret it

[Stilly bay]

certainly has piqued my interest. one these days I will have to see it in action.

[wildweeds]

I've given you my number in a pm,Your sharp enough after meeting you at the chickin ticket site that I could explain it via the phone and you'd have it dialed in.

certainly has piqued my interest. one these days I will have to see it in action.

[Stilly bay]

I will give you a holler the next sunny day we have so I can stand under the cherry tree and lean backward to whidbey island trying to get service for my phone  island living isn't for the feint of heart.