Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)

[Pilot_Hunter]

So I was wondering if anyone else's hunting locations have been ruined by the Indians coming in and killing everything in sight?

The Indians have discovered that this area is very easy to kill animals. They like it because there are a bunch of roads and they can shoot animals 50 yards off the road and make an easy drag. It doesn't matter what time of year it is but I have seen them there loading up animals into their trucks. They go in with their high powered rifles and shoot into the forest where people are archery hunting and chasing the same animals at close range (know this from experience...).

On this Thanksgiving (2nd day into the late archery season), my friend and I found a 4pt buck that was probably 50 yards off the road. It had been dead for a few days. My guess is they shot it and it ran just a little was and didn't put the effort in to finding it.A few miles down the road there was a doe head that they had left and you could see where they drug it to the road in the snow. 

During the elk rifle season there was an Indian who drove up the road, then about 2 hours later drove down and had blood on his tailgate. Every time I have been up there hunting I have seen the Indians driving through and it makes me sick. I used to see so many animals up there and now you are lucky to see a couple deer. You are VERY lucky to see an elk.

They shoot them anytime of the year and however many they want. I know since they are indian that they have the 'right' to do so but I still consider this poaching. They aren't obeying and respecting the land. I wish they could fall under the states' laws and have to abide them like the rest of us.

I was also thinking of what it would take for the state to close the roads and open them during hunting season to help the habitat like they do in some areas of the state.

Anyone have any ideas, same thoughts, same thing happening in your hunting areas?

Here's the pics:

[Pilot_Hunter]

BTW this unit you cannot shoot does whatsoever.

[Houndhunter]

They do not have the "right" to do so, they have the PRIVILEGE to do so. It sucks, most dont appreciate what they have and waste what they dont want. But your posts do good, I wish I took pics of the wasted salmon, deer, and elk that they left for waste.

[Tbar]

I see no evidence of '' indians '' slaughtering anything.  I do see a dead deer and a doe head, this doesn't tell me anything. Did you do a necropsy? Was it a rifle kill? This just seems to be an attempt to stir the pot. I believe you have encountered rifle hunting during archery season, I have no reason to doubt you.
   My next question would be did you call it in or just jump to a conclusion and post it on an open forum? I would call the game warden and the tribal enforcement. 

[Pilot_Hunter]

I see no evidence of '' indians '' slaughtering anything.  I do see a dead deer and a doe head, this doesn't tell me anything. Did you do a necropsy? Was it a rifle kill? This just seems to be an attempt to stir the pot. I believe you have encountered rifle hunting during archery season, I have no reason to doubt you.
   My next question would be did you call it in or just jump to a conclusion and post it on an open forum? I would call the game warden and the tribal enforcement. 

I'm sorry, no, there is no evidence that THOSE specific animals were killed by Indians. However, I have seen with my own two eyes that they have been killing the animals left and right and that's good enough for me to assume that this was them again. I've watched them do it and they don't hesitate.

[JoeE]

I see no evidence of '' indians '' slaughtering anything.  I do see a dead deer and a doe head, this doesn't tell me anything. Did you do a necropsy? Was it a rifle kill? This just seems to be an attempt to stir the pot. I believe you have encountered rifle hunting during archery season, I have no reason to doubt you.
   My next question would be did you call it in or just jump to a conclusion and post it on an open forum? I would call the game warden and the tribal enforcement. 

Exactly. All this is is stirring the pot. Its funny to me, I spent a large portion of my life while growing up on the Colville Reservation running around the woods. I've never, not once, tripped over piles of deer and elk carcasses, stacks of antlers, wasted fish or any of these other things that are constantly alleged on this site. I must be blind though because apparently every rotting deer thats laying in the woods is from indians. Hell, I saw what I thought was a road kill deer on the side of the road the other day, now I think it must have been indian poachers!

[Tbar]

 I am in agreement on road closures, especially in critical habitat areas. I would also suggest always calling it in, the state has jurisdiction on safety offenses.  I would also say I personally wouldn't assume it's an indian, looks can be deceiving. You might have to rename the title to Mexicans, or Asians or???

[JoeE]

I see no evidence of '' indians '' slaughtering anything.  I do see a dead deer and a doe head, this doesn't tell me anything. Did you do a necropsy? Was it a rifle kill? This just seems to be an attempt to stir the pot. I believe you have encountered rifle hunting during archery season, I have no reason to doubt you.
   My next question would be did you call it in or just jump to a conclusion and post it on an open forum? I would call the game warden and the tribal enforcement. 

I'm sorry, no, there is no evidence that THOSE specific animals were killed by Indians. However, I have seen with my own two eyes that they have been killing the animals left and right and that's good enough for me to assume that this was them again. I've watched them do it and they don't hesitate.

If you have no evidence then why did you start a thread on a public forum that includes pictures saying that indians are "slaughtering" deer and elk. You even say that you guess the deer pictured was shot by a lazy indian who wouldn't go look for it. Maybe it was shot by some lazy redneck from Kennewick? I would be willing to bet money that more animals are wounded and left to rot by white archery hunters than by indians with rifles.

[GrainfedMuley]

 
 
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  I would be willing to bet money that more animals are wounded and left to rot by white archery hunters than by indians with rifles.
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Really? Let's look at some numbers. As you call it , the white man gets to hunt 2 or 3 choice weeks out of the year that the state so graciously allows us to hunt. Compared to (Politically Correct) the Native American who  gets to hunt ALL YEAR. I don't get to do that. And by definition of the word native, I am just as native to this state as any Native American. I was born in this state.I have lived in this state all my life and will die in this state. So why can't I hunt all year long? So what are the numbers of animals taken during the "White Man" hunt  compared to the Native American taking animals all year?

[Tbar]

 I'm not trying to get into a debate but there are only 2 gmus in the state where the tribal harvest out weighs the state harvest and overall it isn't close. Even if you were to try to get an estimate from the Yakama nation (they do not do harvest reports to the best of my knowledge) I  don't think the numbers would be close. The state has power in sheer #s. The tribes do have individuals who harvest more than one animal but if you talk to bios I don't think you will get much argument. That said the Colockum is being negatively impacted by over harvest of mature bulls, as coluckumelk can elaborate.


Really? Let's look at some numbers. As you call it , the white man gets to hunt 2 or 3 choice weeks out of the year that the state so graciously allows us to hunt. Compared to (Politically Correct) the Native American who  gets to hunt ALL YEAR. I don't get to do that. And by definition of the word native, I am just as native to this state as any Native American. I was born in this state.I have lived in this state all my life and will die in this state. So why can't I hunt all year long? So what are the numbers of animals taken during the "White Man" hunt  compared to the Native American taking animals all year?
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[JoeE]

 

  I would be willing to bet money that more animals are wounded and left to rot by white archery hunters than by indians with rifles.
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Really? Let's look at some numbers. As you call it , the white man gets to hunt 2 or 3 choice weeks out of the year that the state so graciously allows us to hunt. Compared to (Politically Correct) the Native American who  gets to hunt ALL YEAR. I don't get to do that. And by definition of the word native, I am just as native to this state as any Native American. I was born in this state.I have lived in this state all my life and will die in this state. So why can't I hunt all year long? So what are the numbers of animals taken during the "White Man" hunt  compared to the Native American taking animals all year?
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Yes really. Ok, lets look at some numbers even though this argument is ridiculous.

From WDFW's 2010 harvest reports:

WDFW deer tags purchased: 156,481   Total deer harvested: 33,391

So you're telling me Grainfedmuley that indians in this state killed more than 33,391 deer in 2010? To the best of my knowledge the tribes do not keep harvest statistics for deer. The Colville Tribe issues ONE (1) elk tag per member per year. The deer season runs six months and the elk season is 2 1/2 months, not all year like you say. But you sound like you know more about it than me so I'm going to shut up about it and get back on topic about these horrific pictures of obvious tribal poaching.

[NWBREW]

This thread won't last long.

 I've seen the same thing a time or two over the last 30+ years but that doesn't mean I really know who did it. There are these types in all user groups and races....don't kid yourself into thinking there isn't.
 
Keep it clean. 

[GrainfedMuley]

This thread won't last long.

 I've seen the same thing a time or two over the last 30+ years but that doesn't mean I really know who did it. There are these types in all user groups and races....don't kid yourself into thinking there isn't.
 
Keep it clean.

Very good point! But there is only one group that gets to do it all year long, legally.

[GrainfedMuley]

How can you back up your statement when you even admit, JoeE, that the tribes do not keep harvest reports. So nobody really knows how animals are taken all year long by Native Americans? My point being that EVERYBODY that hunts in this state, should have the same rules.

[JoeE]

Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?

[JoeE]

...and I just told you they don't hunt all year long but once again you said they hunt all year long. Here, this time I'll type it slow so you can read it better   they   don't    hunt   all  year   long    the    hunting    season    is     six   months    long. 

[GrainfedMuley]

Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?

it is your perception of what you think you see without any facts.

[Jonathan_S]

...and I just told you they don't hunt all year long but once again you said they hunt all year long. Here, this time I'll type it slow so you can read it better   they   don't    hunt   all  year   long    the    hunting    season    is     six   months    long. 

I don't think he's assuming perfect ethics are involved so say it again and you'll probably get the same answer.

and

Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?

I see the exact opposite as what you stated about the Colville Reservation. 

[JoeE]

...and I just told you they don't hunt all year long but once again you said they hunt all year long. Here, this time I'll type it slow so you can read it better   they   don't    hunt   all  year   long    the    hunting    season    is     six   months    long. 

I don't think he's assuming perfect ethics are involved so say it again and you'll probably get the same answer.

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Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?

I see the exact opposite as what you stated about the Colville Reservation. 

Do you go there often?

Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?

it is your perception of what you think you see without any facts.

That sums up your entire argument very well actually.

[JoeE]

Can you show some facts GrainfedMuley?

[Jonathan_S]

Do you go there often?

Yep.  I've spent months of my life around 13 Mile and Swan Lake and everywhere near there.

I've been on the Res plenty too.  Not saying I know more about it than everyone, maybe not even you.

I DO know I've seen many groups of does that flee at the first sight of any vehicle while you pass by them up the San Poil canyon/valley.  Interestingly, their cousins fifteen miles north don't do that because they aren't shot at all year long.

I think there are more bears on the Reservation there too which might be a factor in lower deer numbers.

[GrainfedMuley]

Can you show some facts GrainfedMuley?

Can you?

[JoeE]

Good answer. Asking the same question that was just asked of you is what really smart people do. Yes, I did several posts ago. I showed that over 33,000 deer are killed during the WDFW hunting seasons. Do you really think that tribal members kill over 33,000 deer in this state?

[GrainfedMuley]

Good answer. Asking the same question that was just asked of you is what really smart people do. Yes, I did several posts ago. I showed that over 33,000 deer are killed during the WDFW hunting seasons. Do you really think that tribal members kill over 33,000 deer in this state?

Yes, with all the tribal land in this state and the Native American population able to hunt all year long, it is quite possible to take that many animals. And yes I asked you the same question that you asked me because you are the one that started to claim your side of the debate with so called facts that were only half true. Because you have no harvest reports from tribal land. So your argument is one sided.

[JoeE]

They don't hunt all year long. Now that's the third time I've said that. Since you are having since a hard time comprehending that simple part of the argument I'm beginning to think that you only want to hear or believe what you want.

The wildlife management by the Colville Tribe is widely documented and is most likely managed better than the WDFW. There are threads on this forum about that and a simple internet search you will find information about wildlife management on the reservation. But surely you don't want to see that.

Are you generally concerned about the wildlife populations on the reservation or are you jealous? Seriously, which is it?

[Skyvalhunter]

Just because YOU haven't seen or witnessed waste doesn't mean there is none.

[mfswallace]

Just a ridiculous post 

This won't solve anything and perpetuates stereo types on both sides!!  If you want to make changes do it the right way, work together not against each other!!!

[JoeE]

Just a ridiculous post 

Agreed

[boneaddict]

First of all, I understand your frustration about tribal hunting on non reservation or ceded land, but your photos or what you saw could have easily been anyone.
Second of all, without studying the post, I think you are referring to the Yakima tribe probably and not Colville, which happen to be two completely different beasts, sets of rules, management, and harvest levels. 
JoeE, I wouldn't say that the north half has fewer critters on it than the rez, but understand why this post would be frustrating and insulting to you.  If anything I hope you can understand that this region has more abuse than the NE corner does.  All that being said, we are going to lock this one up.