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more wolf BS from the methow paper
« on: November 28, 2012, 09:03:35 PM »
Washington wipes out a wolf pack

By Laura Ackerman and Paul Lindholdt
A wildlife tragedy began in Washington state on Aug. 7, when the state Department of Fish and Wildlife announced that a wolf in the Wedge Pack had killed a calf on a ranch close to Canada. Afterward, the rancher said that wolves were continuing to kill or maim his cattle. Wildlife staffers examined his claim and acknowledged that 16 animals had been killed or injured.

But this is the real tragedy: By Sept. 27, the entire Wedge Pack of eight wolves had been killed. The pack was wiped out because the rancher dug in his heels. He refused to accept any reparation for his losses, insisting instead that the state’s management plan for wolves needed to be rescinded.

Under that plan, ratified in 2011 after nine elaborate public hearings across the state, ranchers may receive payment for two grown beef cattle, in the case of a confirmed wolf kill, or one calf in the case of a probable kill.

The plan also requires ranchers and the agency to attempt all possible non-lethal alternatives before they resort to killing wolves. State wildlife officials urge “livestock operators to enter into cooperative, cost-sharing agreements with the department that specify non-lethal measures.” State Sen. Kevin Ranker, Dem., says it’s “inexcusable” that the state didn’t “exhaust” non-lethal methods first.

Before wolves can be taken off the endangered species list, the plan says, there must be 15 breeding pairs in existence statewide for three years. If the state hopes to reach this goal, it will certainly need to discontinue management by rifle barrel.

State agents now say they are ready to try something called Chemical Bio-scent (a smelly repellent) as a non-lethal measure. We urge them also to try a tool called Conditioned Taste Aversion, developed by biologist Lowell Nicolaus, which applies worming medicine to cow carcasses to sicken feeding wolves.

Yet the problem with the Wedge Pack is not so much wolves preying on cattle as it is the continued grazing of livestock on our federal estate. Taxpayers subsidize tens of thousands of U.S. cattle each year, and these cattle degrade the same habitats that are required by wolves’ native prey. Science shows that cattle – an exotic species in the West – displace deer, elk, moose and other prey species. Grazing also undercuts sound wolf management efforts.

We believe that money to subsidize cattle grazing would be better spent on wolf recovery – restoring the range to the way it was before public-lands ranching became an institution. Ask most fans of outdoor recreation if they would rather watch wild species than cattle in wild areas, and you know what they will say.

Wolves and other large carnivores are keystone species in functioning ecosystems. A study conducted in 2012 by Oregon State University researchers concluded that the absence of carnivores – wolves especially – harms the land.

Another scientific line would be to design an interstate, even international, conservation and management plan. Such a plan would consider wolf populations all over the West.

There is a lot at stake for taxpayers. The state’s wildlife agency had to pay employees several weeks of overtime to chase down the Wedge Pack. Whatever the price in blood, money and mismanaged compassion, this was the result: An entire wolf pack was killed for the sake of one ranch and its rancher.

Wolves in the West are here to stay. They don’t comprehend state and national boundaries, but they understand their role in ecosystems. The Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, the law of the land in Washington for now, is all the wolves have to protect them.

Let’s give the “conservation” part of the plan a fighting chance.

The writers are contributors to Writers on the Range, a service of High Country News (hcn.org). Ackerman is a Spokane farmer and environmental activist; Lindholdt is a professor of English at Eastern Washington University in Spokane.


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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 09:08:33 PM »
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 09:20:24 PM »
Oh Please. Let these folks give a presentation some where in Spokane!! I may have to attend.
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 09:20:39 PM »
Which paper
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 09:22:52 PM »
that was a very Scientific report... :liar:


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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 09:23:06 PM »
"Wolves in the West are here to stay. They don’t comprehend state and national boundaries, but they understand their role in ecosystems."

Heartwarming, isn't it?
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 09:39:58 PM »
what do you expect from a majority of hippies? Just like the country now  :bash:

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 09:59:05 PM »
i understand my role in the environment too...as the wolves number one threat  :chuckle: scientifically we are all animals anyways right? if they wanna get all stupid and hippied out then its my natural scientific right to kill wolves in the exact same way wolves get to kill their prey right?? lol everytime i see these articles i just wanna go shoot wolves even more! when i shoot coyotes i just pretend its a wolf  :chuckle:

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 10:09:05 PM »
Remember, this was in the OPINION section.  At other times, there will be pro-hunting views in that section.  Or religious views.  Or political views on either side.  It's ridiculous to try to label that piece as "from the methow paper."  It is no different from the Opinion/Letters to the Editor sections of any other paper and isn't the official view point of the paper. 

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 10:23:11 PM »
Makes one wonder if they ever think about what will happen if they get their way.    No cattle means no meat or else buying meat from foreign countries at a high price with NO accountability of what it's been fed.  Why do they keep saying "subsidized grazing"?  There is NO Subsidy in grazing.   They do not have a clue as to the environmental effects cattle have.  All the govt. agencies that  graze cattle have a very specific criteria they follow for the cattlemen to adhere to.  You absolutely can not abuse the land or your lease will be pulled in a heartbeat.  This hogwash of cattle decimating the national forest is just that  HOGWASH.  The Methow News is famous for not telling both sides of the story and letting absolute uninformed enviro's print anything they want.  They do sway people with their one sided info but they will not allow any truths to be printed.  That paper has lost a multitude of subscribers due to their one sided green attitude.  Would not be surprized if they nail the doors shut some day.  A newspaper just can not continue to print lies or they will crash.  Their specialty is crucifixions, degrading individuals, forming witch hunts and having the yearly Ferry Convention on the front page.  If you are a Ferry you would love the paper.  God Forbid!

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 10:32:09 PM »
Are these Washington State Ferries you're talking about?  I've never seen a ferry boat in the Methow.  :dunno:

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2012, 12:07:46 AM »
Makes me sick....

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2012, 03:11:08 AM »
While the author is definitely  :liar: and it annoys me to read, I don't think that this article is going to create many new wolf lovers.  It's not constructed in a way that would cause pity towards wolves unless somebody already felt that way.

Just my  :twocents: :twocents: four cents

Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2012, 04:09:38 AM »
Remember, this was in the OPINION section.  At other times, there will be pro-hunting views in that section.  Or religious views.  Or political views on either side.  It's ridiculous to try to label that piece as "from the methow paper."  It is no different from the Opinion/Letters to the Editor sections of any other paper and isn't the official view point of the paper.

Glad you pointed that out!
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2012, 04:16:37 AM »
I just googles that lady who wrote that. She's all over the place as a pro wolf activist.

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2012, 04:19:29 AM »
I just googles that lady who wrote that. She's all over the place as a pro wolf activist.

She probably spends half her free time writing newspapers. She might also be "paid" by Conservation Northwest or some other wolf loving group to write letters.
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2012, 04:28:21 AM »
 :yeah: I believe they are that organized and well funded

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2012, 05:11:40 AM »
 :mor: I like how she states that they are a keystone species and you can't have a healthy environment without them..... except we did for a hundred years...
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2012, 06:24:25 AM »
The Sheriff I know that investigated these wolf killings said, that the wolves were coming onto the ranchers own PRIVATE property to kill the calves. The rancher has around 1500 acres of his own PRIVATE property where these terrorist wolves were supposedly whacked........ :tup:
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2012, 06:30:36 AM »
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I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2012, 06:51:32 AM »
Just starting a rumor :chuckle:   But I heard they are going to release 2 wolf packs in Seattle :chuckle:
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2012, 06:55:47 AM »
villiageidiot said:
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I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.


I think there are abuses in any user group, that's why we have LEO's, bios, and managers. I think villiageidiot was trying to say that proper grazing by responsible livestock producers is compatible and I would add that it's actually "beneficial". It's not cattle that are the problem, it's the occasional violator of grazing rules and the lieing environmentalists that put a black eye on grazing.  :twocents:
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2012, 07:01:46 AM »
Just starting a rumor :chuckle:   But I heard they are going to release 2 wolf packs in Seattle :chuckle:

What's fair for the rest of the west should certainly be fair for Seattle.  :tup:
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2012, 07:54:40 AM »
villiageidiot said:
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..."They do not have a clue as to the environmental effects cattle have.  All the govt. agencies that  graze cattle have a very specific criteria they follow for the cattlemen to adhere to.  You absolutely can not abuse the land or your lease will be pulled in a heartbeat.  This hogwash of cattle decimating the national forest is just that  HOGWASH.  ....

I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.


I think there are abuses in any user group, that's why we have LEO's, bios, and managers. I think villiageidiot was trying to say that proper grazing by responsible livestock producers is compatible and I would add that it's actually "beneficial". It's not cattle that are the problem, it's the occasional violator of grazing rules and the lieing environmentalists that put a black eye on grazing.  :twocents:

Agree. We just have to be careful about engaging in untruthful rhetoric if we are going to be taken seriously when trying to engage with, and counter, environmentalist rhetoric. It just ends up being a peeing contest that is a waste of time and doesn't change anyone's opinion. Unless opinions change, the status quo will continue.
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2012, 10:49:15 AM »
anybody know the numbers or have access to, the amount of revenue brought in from state land cattle leases? love to throw that in their face.  where do they think their money for new roads and feel good projects come from??? :bash:

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2012, 10:59:54 AM »
villiageidiot said:
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I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.

Agreed, I could show him some abused areas.  I'm not a grazing opponent.  In fact, I'm a sound proponent of proper rotational grazing on public lands and wildlife winter ranges, but the lack of oversight on some of these allotments is rather discouraging.
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2012, 11:08:32 AM »
Wait until one of the hikers comes across a pack of wolves without protection. And then ask them do you want to see cows or wolves...  :twocents:
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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2012, 11:26:40 AM »
i have a question for everyone on here. when you come across something wrong do you just post it on here or do you call DNR or the appropriate people to let them know. reading threw these forums i see alot of people complaining about over grazing, poor managment, we should do this or that but nothing ever really seems to get done about it. I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE THAT FIND THINGS WRONG TO REPORT THEM OR DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM BETTER.  thats what our founding fathers did and that what we as americans will have to do to make things better.

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Re: more wolf BS from the methow paper
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2012, 12:23:29 PM »
I think the article clearly points out what the agenda is, get the cattle off the National Forest lands, and declare war on the ranchers and farmers that provide food for all of us. A byproduct of the wolf invasion is it will help stop sport hunting as we know it all across the west, another goal by the environmentalist left, and they can attract many in the cities that never spend any time in on public lands, hunt, or understand what our ranchers do for us by supplying them food for their tables. I will gladly take cattle being grazed on public lands over wolves any day!
The article was so full of BS I had to force myself to continue reading literary piece of garbage.
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