more wolf BS from the methow paper

[bearpaw]

I just googles that lady who wrote that. She's all over the place as a pro wolf activist.

She probably spends half her free time writing newspapers. She might also be "paid" by Conservation Northwest or some other wolf loving group to write letters.

[CementFinisher]

  I believe they are that organized and well funded

[grundy53]

  I like how she states that they are a keystone species and you can't have a healthy environment without them..... except we did for a hundred years...

[CAMPMEAT]

The Sheriff I know that investigated these wolf killings said, that the wolves were coming onto the ranchers own PRIVATE property to kill the calves. The rancher has around 1500 acres of his own PRIVATE property where these terrorist wolves were supposedly whacked........

[netcoyote]

villiageidiot said:

..."They do not have a clue as to the environmental effects cattle have.  All the govt. agencies that  graze cattle have a very specific criteria they follow for the cattlemen to adhere to.  You absolutely can not abuse the land or your lease will be pulled in a heartbeat.  This hogwash of cattle decimating the national forest is just that  HOGWASH.  ....

I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.

[poopooheaddad]

Just starting a rumor    But I heard they are going to release 2 wolf packs in Seattle

[bearpaw]

villiageidiot said:

..."They do not have a clue as to the environmental effects cattle have.  All the govt. agencies that  graze cattle have a very specific criteria they follow for the cattlemen to adhere to.  You absolutely can not abuse the land or your lease will be pulled in a heartbeat.  This hogwash of cattle decimating the national forest is just that  HOGWASH.  ....

I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.

I think there are abuses in any user group, that's why we have LEO's, bios, and managers. I think villiageidiot was trying to say that proper grazing by responsible livestock producers is compatible and I would add that it's actually "beneficial". It's not cattle that are the problem, it's the occasional violator of grazing rules and the lieing environmentalists that put a black eye on grazing. 

[bearpaw]

Just starting a rumor    But I heard they are going to release 2 wolf packs in Seattle

What's fair for the rest of the west should certainly be fair for Seattle. 

[netcoyote]

villiageidiot said:

..."They do not have a clue as to the environmental effects cattle have.  All the govt. agencies that  graze cattle have a very specific criteria they follow for the cattlemen to adhere to.  You absolutely can not abuse the land or your lease will be pulled in a heartbeat.  This hogwash of cattle decimating the national forest is just that  HOGWASH.  ....

I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.

I think there are abuses in any user group, that's why we have LEO's, bios, and managers. I think villiageidiot was trying to say that proper grazing by responsible livestock producers is compatible and I would add that it's actually "beneficial". It's not cattle that are the problem, it's the occasional violator of grazing rules and the lieing environmentalists that put a black eye on grazing. 

Agree. We just have to be careful about engaging in untruthful rhetoric if we are going to be taken seriously when trying to engage with, and counter, environmentalist rhetoric. It just ends up being a peeing contest that is a waste of time and doesn't change anyone's opinion. Unless opinions change, the status quo will continue.

[motg9_6]

anybody know the numbers or have access to, the amount of revenue brought in from state land cattle leases? love to throw that in their face.  where do they think their money for new roads and feel good projects come from???

[JLS]

villiageidiot said:

..."They do not have a clue as to the environmental effects cattle have.  All the govt. agencies that  graze cattle have a very specific criteria they follow for the cattlemen to adhere to.  You absolutely can not abuse the land or your lease will be pulled in a heartbeat.  This hogwash of cattle decimating the national forest is just that  HOGWASH.  ....

I wouldn't try to sell that argument. I'm a hunter and I've hunted in many areas that were open to grazing.  I've seen some pretty devastated areas. Not a lot, but you sure can't make the statement that abuse to public land due to grazing doesn't exist.

Agreed, I could show him some abused areas.  I'm not a grazing opponent.  In fact, I'm a sound proponent of proper rotational grazing on public lands and wildlife winter ranges, but the lack of oversight on some of these allotments is rather discouraging.

[270Flat]

Wait until one of the hikers comes across a pack of wolves without protection. And then ask them do you want to see cows or wolves... 

[motg9_6]

i have a question for everyone on here. when you come across something wrong do you just post it on here or do you call DNR or the appropriate people to let them know. reading threw these forums i see alot of people complaining about over grazing, poor managment, we should do this or that but nothing ever really seems to get done about it. I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE THAT FIND THINGS WRONG TO REPORT THEM OR DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM BETTER.  thats what our founding fathers did and that what we as americans will have to do to make things better.

[wence5]

I think the article clearly points out what the agenda is, get the cattle off the National Forest lands, and declare war on the ranchers and farmers that provide food for all of us. A byproduct of the wolf invasion is it will help stop sport hunting as we know it all across the west, another goal by the environmentalist left, and they can attract many in the cities that never spend any time in on public lands, hunt, or understand what our ranchers do for us by supplying them food for their tables. I will gladly take cattle being grazed on public lands over wolves any day!
The article was so full of BS I had to force myself to continue reading literary piece of garbage.