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[Wacenturion]

In the example of 10,000 permits and 2500 applicants-

It doesn't make any difference how the drawing is done, the odds are 1 in 4.

First of all....10,000 applicants for 2500 permits....not 10,000 permits.  Fuzzy math?

Generally you could say odds are one in four, but that is misleading.   Some units could have fewer applicants than tags allowed and vice versa, some units could have more applicants than tags allowed.  Therefore odds can be all over the place for individual unit choices.

[bobcat]

I like my numbers better!   .   Odds are 4 in 1.  Four permits per hunter.

I agree, I was just talking the overall odds, not every permit will have the same odds (obviously).

The point is, overall odds of drawing a permit would be 1 in 4, no matter how many choices each applicant was allowed.

[huntnphool]

I like my numbers better!   .   Odds are 4 in 1.  Four permits per hunter.

I agree, I was just talking the overall odds, not every permit will have the same odds (obviously).

I would assume those odds are going to decrease exponentially in the Desert this year.

[bobcat]

I like my numbers better!   .   Odds are 4 in 1.  Four permits per hunter.

I agree, I was just talking the overall odds, not every permit will have the same odds (obviously).

I would assume those odds are going to decrease exponentially in the Desert this year.

Probably but I don't care.

I would never apply for a hunt with such low odds of drawing.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I like my numbers better!   .   Odds are 4 in 1.  Four permits per hunter.

I agree, I was just talking the overall odds, not every permit will have the same odds (obviously).

I would assume those odds are going to decrease exponentially in the Desert this year.

Probably but I don't care.

I would never apply for a hunt with such low odds of drawing.

you mean like that tag where I live  where do I live ? where there are more wardens than hunters 

[Ridgerunner]

Where's my popcorn, this thread has all the good elements in it.

[Skyvalhunter]

Take all the top 5 that most people put in for throw them out. Look at some of the harvest stistics, call the wildlife biologists including Fitkin then go hunt Montana or some other state!!

[boneaddict]

I think I have this arguement with Bobcat every year.    You draw from a pool of 100 guys for 25 late permits for 5 different areas.  Each guy gets to put in 4 choices.   I am almost certain, those 25 permits will be taken faster in that sense than if those guys had one choice.   Plus you get the serious person....All eggs are in one basket.  I also believe anecdotally you'll have fewer guys on here saying I drew Blank, have never seen it, can you tell me everything you know. 

go one step further......deer and elk or OIL, not both.

[BowForElk]

[/quote]Some would argue that going from WDF&G to WDFW was the worst thing that ever happened.
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What is the difference to the hunter between to two depts? I was born in '90 So As long as Ive lived its been WDFW. Just curious what changed?

[sirmissalot]

And are you trying to tell me that you have NEVER in all your years hunting; not applied for an area, which you already scouted, obtained land owner permission, etc.?

Do you apply out of state? Assuming you do; you have already gone over to Example- New Mexico and scounted out an area, obtained land owner permission, etc.

C'MON!! I guarentee just about EVERYONE on this site has applied for a hunt choice, which they no little to nothing about. I have a mild understanding of the Wenaha. But I have never hiked up and down hills, sat on landings etc. prior to appling for a quality elk tag. I know it is a trophy area. Most the read the game laws are smart enough to figure out the good hunts from the bad hunts, by looking at the harvest report and the applicant numbers. Once I get drawn; THEN I will spend the time and money to figure out where to go etc. The game laws tell people if it is a private land hunt, etc. All you have to do is read the definitions and pay attention to the asterisks. Those hunts I would never apply for, unless I already had permission to hunt. Common sense...

I agree. I don't have a problem with people applying for an area they don't know well, people get mad on here all the time when people draw a tag in an area they don't know or haven't hunted. In my experience a late season muley hunt will be completely different than general season, so knowledge of the area as far as hunting goes won't do a whole lot since the deer in many of those hunts are migratory. I drew a margaret bull tag this year, I have never elk hunted there... its draw only. Its the people who draw tags, then never bother using them because they don't have time or didn't realize how difficult the hunt is... etc. who bother me. Even then... its your hunt, if you choose to not give it a fair shot then so be it. Not what I would do, but to each their own.

The new drawings with mulitple applications per species frustrates me. For excample, I used to apply for the ewe bighorn tag because I wanted one with my bow, and thought it would go well as a lifesize with a ram someday, and at my age I will get drawn for a ram tag eventually so why not get the ewe tag? Well it went from like 246 applicants to thousands, don't remember the number but my odds of drawing were great, and are now very slim. Its like that in many categories.

[jackmaster]

I still think the state should make us choose one, one only

BONE  for wdfw president 

[jrebel]

And are you trying to tell me that you have NEVER in all your years hunting; not applied for an area, which you already scouted, obtained land owner permission, etc.?

Do you apply out of state? Assuming you do; you have already gone over to Example- New Mexico and scounted out an area, obtained land owner permission, etc.

C'MON!! I guarentee just about EVERYONE on this site has applied for a hunt choice, which they no little to nothing about. I have a mild understanding of the Wenaha. But I have never hiked up and down hills, sat on landings etc. prior to appling for a quality elk tag. I know it is a trophy area. Most the read the game laws are smart enough to figure out the good hunts from the bad hunts, by looking at the harvest report and the applicant numbers. Once I get drawn; THEN I will spend the time and money to figure out where to go etc. The game laws tell people if it is a private land hunt, etc. All you have to do is read the definitions and pay attention to the asterisks. Those hunts I would never apply for, unless I already had permission to hunt. Common sense...

Absolutely that is what I am saying.  I have never put in for a tag that I have not scouted or was willing to scout.  I have gleaned information from this site and it is a good resource for that.......it has (in my opinion) morphed peoples perception of what and where a trophy unit is. 

I have seen people draw tags and they don't even know where the GMU is....they just hope to get information from others.  This (again in my opinion) is not what this site should be about.  Do your homework, do some scouting, go camping in the area...then ask for assitance.  Don't just ask for assitance when you have done nothing to make your self successful in the first place, other than get lucky and draw a "quality tag."   
   

[Wacenturion]

For deer I pick one and only one.  Have no interest in another unit.  If for some reason I changed my mind to say the Desert, it would still only one choice.  I do the same for elk. 

[jrebel]

And are you trying to tell me that you have NEVER in all your years hunting; not applied for an area, which you already scouted, obtained land owner permission, etc.?

Do you apply out of state? Assuming you do; you have already gone over to Example- New Mexico and scounted out an area, obtained land owner permission, etc.

C'MON!! I guarentee just about EVERYONE on this site has applied for a hunt choice, which they no little to nothing about. I have a mild understanding of the Wenaha. But I have never hiked up and down hills, sat on landings etc. prior to appling for a quality elk tag. I know it is a trophy area. Most the read the game laws are smart enough to figure out the good hunts from the bad hunts, by looking at the harvest report and the applicant numbers. Once I get drawn; THEN I will spend the time and money to figure out where to go etc. The game laws tell people if it is a private land hunt, etc. All you have to do is read the definitions and pay attention to the asterisks. Those hunts I would never apply for, unless I already had permission to hunt. Common sense...

I agree. I don't have a problem with people applying for an area they don't know well, people get mad on here all the time when people draw a tag in an area they don't know or haven't hunted. In my experience a late season muley hunt will be completely different than general season, so knowledge of the area as far as hunting goes won't do a whole lot since the deer in many of those hunts are migratory. I drew a margaret bull tag this year, I have never elk hunted there... its draw only. Its the people who draw tags, then never bother using them because they don't have time or didn't realize how difficult the hunt is... etc. who bother me. Even then... its your hunt, if you choose to not give it a fair shot then so be it. Not what I would do, but to each their own.

The new drawings with mulitple applications per species frustrates me. For excample, I used to apply for the ewe bighorn tag because I wanted one with my bow, and thought it would go well as a lifesize with a ram someday, and at my age I will get drawn for a ram tag eventually so why not get the ewe tag? Well it went from like 246 applicants to thousands, don't remember the number but my odds of drawing were great, and are now very slim. Its like that in many categories.

I agree...it is your tag and you can do what you want with it.

I dissagree....because you are hunting migratory deer you don't need prior knowledge.  If you don't know where they migrate, or how to access wintering ground, then why are you putting in for the tag. 

[bobcat]

For deer I pick one and only one.  Have no interest in another unit.  If for some reason I changed my mind to say the Desert, it would still only one choice.  I do the same for elk.

If that is your strategy, well, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. To maximize my odds I always apply for the maximum number of choices allowed, and I put them in order from hardest to easiest.