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2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #150 on: December 31, 2012, 07:44:19 PM »
The raffles have basically turned into auctions it seems. At least this year they did. Guys dropping tens of thousands of dollars on raffle tickets kind of blows my $50 out of the water.
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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #151 on: December 31, 2012, 07:50:05 PM »
I think that is a loop hole that should be fixed.

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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #152 on: December 31, 2012, 07:50:49 PM »
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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #153 on: December 31, 2012, 08:19:58 PM »
The raffles have basically turned into auctions it seems. At least this year they did. Guys dropping tens of thousands of dollars on raffle tickets kind of blows my $50 out of the water.

I understand your frustration, but I don't know how we could make the system more egalitarian without making it complex. You'd probably have to do something like Wyoming and have 'regular' (commoners) tags and "special" (rich mans tags) raffles.  So now instead of one tag for each species for the bidding, and one for the raffle, you're going to have TWO for the raffle.  Then we'll have to further divide the hunters up by income some how. Attach a tax return to your app? Limit the number of tags you can buy in the commoners pool, and the rich man too? Sell tags to the commoner for $5/ea and to the special ones for $50/ea?


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« Reply #154 on: December 31, 2012, 08:27:06 PM »
If it wasn't all about revenue you put a cap on them. Since its about revenue I guess I can't complain. They are achieving the intended results.
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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #155 on: December 31, 2012, 10:23:00 PM »
If it wasn't all about revenue you put a cap on them. Since its about revenue I guess I can't complain. They are achieving the intended results.
+1, I think revenue would likely be about the same if they limited the raffle tickets to a max of 5. I bet they would end up selling roughly the same number since more people would be participating and maxing out their purchase, rather than people bowing out knowing someone with $15k worth of tickets isnt cornering the odds.
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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #156 on: January 01, 2013, 09:19:32 AM »
I used to be really against them but changed my mind, yep, happens once in awhile.   Some of the actions of some of them like Mossback still leave a tinge of bad taste in my mouth.    The bottom line is one tag is 50,000 (arbittuary amount) into the coffers for wildlife whereas a native has the exact same thing for free for as many bulls as they want.   I still say thats a bigger issue.   One guy willing to buy a 25,000 deer tag and hunt the Entiat whereas 50 guys can go and kill as many as they want.   I wonder which helps and which hinders.  and you have us squabaling over $5 chances at a hunt of a lifetime.  One chance in how many raffle tickets sold?    The tribal topic is covered in many other places and not needed to be discussed here.   Just a vision of what my mind is thinking.   

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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #157 on: January 01, 2013, 12:36:39 PM »
Why does everything have to be fair and equal? If you are successful enough to buy a $50k tag to shoot any bull in th state, good for you. I only hope that I someday could be in that position. I'm not entirely certain why they should be hindered for that?

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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #158 on: January 01, 2013, 03:13:16 PM »
I think its more of the fact that he doesn't enjoy it or possibly appreciate it as much as a local guy working a 9 to 5 job would.

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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #159 on: January 01, 2013, 03:16:35 PM »
I think its more of the fact that he doesn't enjoy it or possibly appreciate it as much as a local guy working a 9 to 5 job would.
Huh? :o
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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #160 on: January 01, 2013, 03:22:48 PM »
I think its more of the fact that he doesn't enjoy it or possibly appreciate it as much as a local guy working a 9 to 5 job would.
Huh? :o

That was to shootnrun, in response to him saying why does everyone have to be equal because people are complaining about rich guys buying these tags.

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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #161 on: January 01, 2013, 03:24:15 PM »
He is always smiling in the pics. I'm just glad he is nice enough to share them with us.

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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #162 on: January 01, 2013, 03:35:00 PM »
I think its more of the fact that he doesn't enjoy it or possibly appreciate it as much as a local guy working a 9 to 5 job would.
Huh? :o
That was to shootnrun, in response to him saying why does everyone have to be equal because people are complaining about rich guys buying these tags.
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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #163 on: January 01, 2013, 05:35:35 PM »
Right.. So making more money makes you like hunting less? Do explain, please...

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Re: 2012 Governors and Raffle Tags
« Reply #164 on: January 01, 2013, 05:50:44 PM »
Right.. So making more money makes you like hunting less? Do explain, please...

When you can buy any tag you want every year vs. getting it once or maybe twise in a lifetime the excitement for the tag goes down.

I'm not saying theres anything wrong with it, if I had the money id be buying tags all over the place.

 


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